Importing Folder w/ RAW & JPG, no JPGs load

I download my CF card to a folder I create on my HD. With my present camera setting, I get a RAW capture and a JPG capture.
When I import this folder into Aperture, the JPGs show up in the Import>Local Files, but won't import into a Project folder. Why is this?
I have not had this problem with all folders, but with almost all.
Also, I have one folder with layered PSD files. The PSD files appear as blank thumbnails, both in the Import>Local Files window as well as the Project folder. In the middle of this blank thumbnail is tiny tiny text in four languages that says: "This layered Photshop file was not saved with a composite image". These layered PSD files are identical (as far as I can tell) with other layered PSD files that have been imported into other Projects with no problem. I have tried following the "...Layered PSD..." thread in the Support page, but to no avail. Need help with this.
Thanks
Tower G5 2.7Ghz Dual, 30 & 20in Monitors, 8 GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.8) Aperture ver 1.5.1

Hi twims,
As BNO said, the JPEG files are recognized by Aperture when they are in the same folder as their associated RAW upon import. However, you only see one version of the image. The actual RAW Master and the associated JPEG Master kind of sit behind this version. As BNO also said, you can use the menu option Images>New Version from Master JPEG to view and adjust the JPEG, just like you can use Images>New Version from Master (which creates a new version from the RAW in this case). The options are also available by right clicking on an image version also, or by using shortcut keys.
I also shoot RAW+JPEG quite often because I have wanted a way to have JPEGs available quickly. This may change now that I have Aperture...time will tell. But I have to say, I prefer Aperture's handling of the RAW+JPEG files in this way. I don't like the way Bridge handles them, by showing both the RAW and the JPEG. This makes it more difficult to see what I have. I might shoot hundreds of shots in a day, so I don't want to see that multiplied by two. PhotoMechanic combines RAW+JPEG as one viewed image and I have always liked that. However, PhotoMechanic makes it a Preference setting, which might be a good future enhancement for Aperture.
Oh, I have also noticed that if you change metadata in another program (such as PhotoMechanic) that the RAW and JPEG may import into Aperture separately. I think that the file timestamp gets changed and this makes Aperture think they are different shots. I have fixed this by using PhotoMechanic's Tools>Adjust Capture Dates and Times menu option. Once I run the files through this tool with the "Update file creation date/time" and the "Update file modification date/time" options checked, the files will import into Aperture joined.
Regarding your Photoshop files, one thing you might try is to check your Photoshop Preference settings under File Handling. Set "Maximize PSD and PSB File Compatibility" to "Always." Also, search this forum and you will find that some people have had problems with Photoshop files saved in Lab Color Mode instead of RGB Color Mode. I think I've also seen people having problems with certain types of saved paths or channels, I don't quite remember the exact issue.
Hope that helps,
- Karen
PowerMac G5 Dual 2GHz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

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* Implement auto-stacking for files with the same name. [mentioned in Podcast]
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* Implement a command to sort the images in all stacks in the current view. This could be used to place all RAWs or JPGs on top.
* Implement a synchronization feature that synchronizes (selected) keywords and collections across stacks. [deals with mentioned keyword problem]
* As an alternative to all stack-based options above, simply implement a viewing filter to only show files of a certain type within the currently selected category. This way, people can easily remove all JPGs from view.
Cheers,
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