RAW+JPG renaming/deleting workflow broken?

I tried to shoot RAW + JPG.
LR show only the NEF files [RAW] and uses the JPGs as a "sidecar".
if I rename teh NEF the JPG gets renamed with the same filename and the proper different extension.
the problem is when I delete the rejected NEF files - the corresponding/relative JPGs don't get deleted as well
and I need to do it manually in the finder outside of LR,
am i doing something wrong? I find this behavior inconsistent and it could be annoying if I need to do that with many files at once.
I can always download the images from teh camera to TEMP download folder - move the good photos to a different folder and empty the JPGs that have not deleted.
a bit of a cumbersome workflow...
stefano
stefpix dot com
yesterday's photos
http://tinyurl.com/27fazg
or
http://picasaweb.google.com/stefpix/BedstuyFlatbushMiniHaiti300320072309/photo#s5047923753 755028194

Amazing, so it's actually intentionally 'broken'. At the very very least, mentioning this in the manual would have been nice...(or did I miss it?) I can see where they're coming from as seen from a *particular* workflow perspective, but they are making some pretty big assumptions along the way, all of which can be challenged.
Assumption (1): RAW and JPG files with the same name are *always* both created in the camera.
- I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I have sometimes saved rendered JPGs (from RawShooter) alongside my RAW files. The upcoming(?) RawShooter settings conversion utility will not give the exact same results, so I'd like to keep the JPGs in my library.
Assumption (2): The JPG is always inferior to the Lightroom-rendered RAW.
- Not true. Sometimes the camera vendors employ some sophisticated wizardry to their JPGs that can sometimes yield satisfying final results or a good reference for raw editing. I suspect this holds even more for the newer batch of SLRs that supports 'in-camera developing', applying proprietary coloring effects, etc to the rendered JPG.
Assumption (3): People get horribly confused when they see *choose* to shoot RAW+JPG and actually see two files.
- Well, I'm probably not the target market, since I'm one of those 'organized' photographers, but ok. If I have chosen to create two files that every other imaging program considers to be different, I have consciously done so, and I do not get confused if I see different files. In fact, I *expect* all my files to show up in Lightroom. Of course having neat options to hide either type of files is a plus.
As for suggestions to improve this in future versions, I'd say:
* Make it an option (selected by default) to not import sidecar JPGs and use them only for preview. [mentioned in Podcast]
* Implement auto-stacking for files with the same name. [mentioned in Podcast]
* Even better, allow for auto-stacking with similar names (using a suffix, like '-') and images that were shot at the same time. See also http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc34b40/1
* Implement a command to sort the images in all stacks in the current view. This could be used to place all RAWs or JPGs on top.
* Implement a synchronization feature that synchronizes (selected) keywords and collections across stacks. [deals with mentioned keyword problem]
* As an alternative to all stack-based options above, simply implement a viewing filter to only show files of a certain type within the currently selected category. This way, people can easily remove all JPGs from view.
Cheers,
Simon

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1. Aperture actually DOES import RAW+JPEG. It sees both files and brings them both into the Library. By default it only displays the RAW image. To see the JPEG too, just select any image and press Option-J, (That’s the keyboard shortcut for New Version from Master JPEG.) Now-the RAW AND the JPEG appear together in a stack. If you make the JPEG the “pick” of the stack, then you can collapse the stack and see only the JPEG.
2. Once you have both the RAW and the JPEG, you will want to be able to tell which is which. Aperture CAN (despite complaints from some reviewers who just don’t know how to properly use the software) display full filenames and file extensions You need to set up the metadata display options correctly.
- Create a new Metadata set using the Action menu on the metadata inspector.
- Click the “Other” button at the bottom of the inspector and turn on File Name as the only field to be displayed for this new set.
- Open View > View Options and set either Set number 1 or Set number 2 in either the Viewer or Browser to display your new metdata set, consisting of File Name.
Now you can toggle full filenames (With extensions) on or off the images in the Viewer or on thumbnails in the browser.
You could also just modify any existing metadta set to accomplish this by replacing the “Version Name” field with the “File Name” field."
Good luck,
Scott Bourne

Raw + JPG not working!

I usually take photos in two formats: Raw + JPG, however when I try to download to Aperture, only Raw files are downloaded, is this normal? where should be adjusted to extract both formats into Aperture?
Thanks in advance,
Ed

This depends on if you're using Aperture 2 or Aperture 3. In 2, there are some preference settings about imports, but I don't recall the details. In 3, there's a brick of import options called Raw+JPEG. There, you can select 5 options. One of those options will import only the raw files. The one that imports both, but sets the raw as master will look similar, in Aperture, except you'll have the option to switch to the JPEG master for that image, temporarily or otherwise, if you later wish. There's a pair of options that work the same way as those two, but favour JPEGs over raws. And there's an option to import both, setting both as masters - with that, you'll see a version based on each master for every shot you've taken, doubling the apparent number of photos.

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