Init. Delta load in BI 7.0?

Hi, Experts:
I just changed to a new BI application team. We have a delta load from ECC into an ODS then into a cube. I thought that there must be an initial delta load before the daily delta load. But I don't see init delta load request when right click the ODS/cube then select "Manage". The application started to load from January 2008. I have put the request display date to sometime 2007 then click the refresh button. But still could not see init delta load. From the very 1st load till date, I only see all are delta loads. Is this some thing new in BI7.0 that init delta is not needed any more? Or something is wrong?
Thanks,
Jenny

Hi,
that's right, there is no special request for Delta/Init.
The DTP can do it itself at the first time.
If you want to check which DTP is the Initialization, you can go on the DTP log, and in the header you will see "Extraction Mode" -> Delta.
If the corresponding DTP request is the init, the flag "Delta Init" is ticked.
Hope it helps !
Mickael

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there is a seperare procedure to activate delta mechanism in ODS. After you load the full requests you cannnot run init without making all the full requests to "Reapir full requests".
See SAP Note: 689964
Symptom
You want to switch the upload procedure for an ODS object from full to delta. However, the delta initialization fails with a message indicating that there are already full uploads in the ODS object and therefore inits or deltas cannot be posted or activated.
Other terms
Delta; ODS object: delta initialization, RSM 098, full, Init
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Solution
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Since the repair full requests are not checked, duplicate data records may be created or data may disappear if there is a subsequent init.
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We believe this has to do with the timestamp functionality. According to the documentation we have found, it appears as though we should not split our init delta load into multiple infopackages, but rather limit it to one singe infopackage that loads everything. Can anyone confirm this?
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Hi Prasanna
I thought that u r in to Bw 3.x
Ny ways in this case u should create a proces chain..
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> Hi R M K thank you,
>
> if we do Info Pack -- schedule Tab
>
> In the option Start Later in background-- set
> periodic values
>
> Then it will update only in PSA.
>
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>
> That is not doing.
> (selecting the option start later in background and
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>
> cause i don't want to load manually.
>
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>
> thanks
> prasanna

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