Jms queue share

hi, i need some help relation to jms, recently i have a queue in clusterA but i need to share it with clusterB. The problem is that when i change the subdeployment and target to add the clusterB it says that the queue must be in one cluster. How can i resolve this to share it to the other cluster too?
Should i need to use sfa or bridge? Which would be the best to use in this case?
Thanks

Hi,
I was going through this thread and could understand that you have UDQ on cluster-1 (with 4 MS).. also you have 4 JMS-server mapped with 4 managed server instances. The producer application is deployed on cluster-1 which will send messages on UDQ.. which weblogic will distribute using the load balancing algorithms on the underlying JMS system i.e, to the 4 JMS server. Now I understand that you have another cluster-2 on same domain with 4 managed servers. Also cluster-2 hosts the consumer application to access the messages produced by producer. Your consumer application just need to create a JMS connection to the UDQ using connection factory config.. weblogic will itself map your 4 consumers (as app is deployed on cluster with 4 MS) to the 4 JMS servers of cluster1 . I don't see any requirement of pointing your UDQ to cluster-2. For type of consumer application to be used.. as already suggested by others it's best to use MDB which will be listening on all incoming messages on the queue.
As option 2 if you want to go with JMS bridge , then create 1 more UDQ to point it to cluster-2 (u will also require another JMS module which will point on cluster-2). The create a JMS bridge and add UDQ on cluster-1 as source destination and UDQ on cluster-2 as target destination. This way your application deployed on cluster-1 can put messages on source destination of JMS bridge and your say MDB application deployed on cluster-2 can access those messages over target destination of JMS bridge.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,
Ranjan

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              > >> TIA
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