Lift and stamp white balance broken?

Hi everybody,
I'm using the 3.0.3 with the latest ProKit and Core Image rendering update, and I'm working with Canon 5d2 images. Today I was working on arranging a set of shots for a pano stitch in another tool, and I noticed that my camera's AWB choices varied across the sequence.
Thinking this would be easy to fix, I went to the image with the best color, put a check in the White Balance brick to "turn it on", and then lifted the WB adjustment. I stamped that adjustment onto the other 5 pictures, and the previews updated instantly to reflect the new color. However, the moment I move off and back onto any of the other images, the original (and varying) AWB settings are back in effect.
(After fiddling with it for a few minutes, I eventually gave up and just manually typed in the temperature and tint values into each picture's brick because I needed to get going on this stitch.)
Can anyone else confirm this bug?
Thanks,
Ben

Thanks for your effort. I am stunned. Would be edifying to know what is happening! I thought it might be okay as I sometimes turn my image black after applying some change, but the black is only a temporary display problem as the image is correct the next time I go to use it; perhaps in my situation Aperture was busy generating new previews for presentation of the changes. Your white is certainly a different issue. Glad it's only an isolated incident and not happening for you on the other images.

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Lift and Stamp tool not working so well? White images!?

Here's a strange issue.
I worked on an image yesterday. Today, I want to copy the adjustments to another image in the same project. When I use the Lift and Stamp tool to copy the adjustments, the new image turns completely white. Even though I checked the adjustments and they look the same as the original one, the new image is all white.
Now the strange thing is when I adjusted another image today then used the Lift and Stamp tool, the adjustments copied over fine.
The only thing I can see which is different from the image I adjusted yesterday is that I had Aperture send that image to CS4 and I edited a TIFF which I stacked back with the original file.
I'll try to make a screencast available so you can see what's going on.
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Antonio

Thanks for your effort. I am stunned. Would be edifying to know what is happening! I thought it might be okay as I sometimes turn my image black after applying some change, but the black is only a temporary display problem as the image is correct the next time I go to use it; perhaps in my situation Aperture was busy generating new previews for presentation of the changes. Your white is certainly a different issue. Glad it's only an isolated incident and not happening for you on the other images.

To batch edit , with our lift and stamp

is it possible to batch edit all my images with AUTO level, so that each pic will be edited independent RATHER than lift adjustment and Stamp the same adjustment , which will not work cause each pic needs a different level and white balance,,

I don't want to delete any of the IPTC info.
I just want to lift Caption from IPTC and leave any other IPTC info untouched in both images (lifted and stamped)
So the image I'm lifting has a different provider from the one I want to stamp but the should all have the same caption. How can I only lift and stamp the caption?
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Let's say I made a white balance adjustment, then an exposure adjustment, followed by a little sharpening all in that order. But then I want to lift only the WB out of those three adjustments and stamp a batch of images.
How can I stamp only the WB onto the selected images without stamping my exposure and sharpening adjustments? I tried a few things, but the images still get all the adjustments. One thing I did was uncheck the adjustments box in the L & S HUD and selected (highlighted) the WB, but that didn't give me what I wanted either.

To do this display all the adjustments that you lifted by clicking the little triangle next to adjustments in the HUD. Highlight the one(s) that you do not want and press the delete key to get rid of them. After that stamp.
More here:
[Aperture lift and stamp|http://photo.rwboyer.com/2009/02/aperture-quick-tip-lift-and-stamp>
RB

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Just started playing with Aperture a few hours ago and seem to have intermittent problems lifting and stamping image adjustments. The manual has little info about lifting, beyond metadata, but sometimes I'm able to also lift image adjustments (color correction, crop, etc.). This was an advertised feature, so I assume the lack of info in the manual about lifting image adjustments is an oversight (or I am missing it). Unfortunately, I'm not usually able to lift image adjustments. They appear to be consistently availabel in the Lift HUD right after I make the adjustment to the image, but if I click away and then back, the adjustment is gone.
I think it has something to do with the tiny icons on the lower-right part of some of my images. The one I usually see when I make some adjustments is a small white box with a left and right arrow on top of each other. This typically indicates that something isn't synched in other programs, but I don't know what needs to be synched in Aperture. The adjustments remain on the image when I click away and then back to it so they appear to be sticking.
I've seen a couple of other icons show up in the lower right hand corner of images, but haven't been able to figure out what they mean. There doesn't seem to be mention of them anywhere in the Aperture documentation. Does anyone have a pointer or explanation of each of the icons' significance?

OK, I got a bit of an answer from the instructional DVD. In the Image Adjusting section, they talk about lift and stamp. The problem is that you can't just select the image in the image browser, you have to click on the rendered image to lift the adjustments. It looks like you can also do this by option-clicking on the thumbnails.
In the demo, though, they appear to lift and stamp a crop. I can't get anything other than color and luminance adjustments to show up in the list of possible adjustments to lift. Rotation, crop, etc. They're all ignored. Am I missing something?

Lift and Stamp - one image only

I can get Lift and Stamp to work on JPEG images, but it only updates one image. So even if I select 10 and then stamp, only the image with the "thick" white border is updated.
I've read lots of complaints on lift and stamp usability, but i think I'm doing this correctly.

PRECISELY. I was in primary only mode. In this mode you do have to do what I describe, the "select first" doesn't work. Basically the approach I outline gets around "primary only" mode, so I'm arguably exploiting a design flaw.
Better, of course, to turn primary-only off. Then you can select images and click stamp to update them all.
If you type S instead of Ctrl-S for sharpening, you switch modes. I can't find any notice, if I owned Aperture I'd have a prominent string and icon appear in the menubar when switched to primary mode. I'd also remove the sortcut key! I don't think primary mode needs a single letter shortcut.
I figured this out on my own, but if I hadn't you'd have answered it for me. Thanks!
john

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Glad it helped. Everyone has been bitten by this at one time or another. Fortunately you only get bit once
Well if you haven't already read it two or three times the User manual is really very good. Apple really did a nice job with it. The on-line version is nice because it is searchable.
After that the Apple Pro Training Series book Aperture 3 is very useful. Its basically split into three parts. The library, adjustments and sharing. In addition if you get all the way through it you can take the Certification test and become, well certified.
Rwboyer who posts here on and off has a good site and a couple of ebooks that I found useful.
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Disappearing iptc fields - script to lift and stamp metadata

Hi there,
I don't know if this is a general thing or not with Aperture 2.1, but in my library (all referenced images on 3 external disks) lots of not really recent photos get their thumbnails and previews updated anytime I browse the library. Although it slows down aperture a little, it's not really a big issue. The problem is that many older images lose their IPTC data upon refresh. It just disappears, leaving only the keywords in place. Caption etc are all gone. I have tried to update some of this manually, but as soon as I use reveal in an applescript, so I can lift and stamp metadata from another picture in the shoot, some more files get updated etc. etc. I don't really know what's happening here, probably a bug, but I've written a little applescript to update them automatically.
What it does:
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My library is organized into folders with the name of the external drive the referenced images are on. It then contains projects (with or without a certain theme) and withing those projects are albums that reflect the directory the images on the disks are in. This is a leftover of my old days with iview media pro. All images are within an album. One last thing: Run the script from the Aperture menu. From the script editor it's very slow, due to large amounts of text passing through.
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-- create lists for photos with and without captions applied and references to the lists (supposed to be faster)
set imagenscomcaption to {}
set imagenssemcaption to {}
set refimagenscomcaption to a reference to imagenscomcaption
set refimagenssemcaption to a reference to imagenssemcaption
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set albumsdefotos to albums of library 1
repeat with contadordealbums from 1 to the count of albumsdefotos
set cadaalbum to item contadordealbums of albumsdefotos
set fotos to image versions of cadaalbum
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set nomedoalbum to name of cadaalbum
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if nomesdostags contains "Caption" then
copy fotocorrente to the end of refimagenscomcaption
else
copy fotocorrente to the end of refimagenssemcaption
end if
end tell
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display dialog (((count of refimagenscomcaption) as string) & " images with captions - " & (count of refimagenssemcaption) as string) & " images without captions" giving up after 2
--code to apply iptc tags of last photo in list with captions -if it exists- to all photos without them
if (count of refimagenscomcaption) is greater than 0 and (count of refimagenssemcaption) is greater than 0 then
--use last item of the list as source pic for iptc
set fotoorigem to last item of refimagenscomcaption
tell fotoorigem
try
set dataexiforigem to value of EXIF tag "ImageDate" as date
set dataorigem to my date_format(dataexiforigem) as string
set tagsorigem to IPTC tags of fotoorigem
on error
set dataorigem to "0000-00-00"
end try
end tell
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repeat with contadordestino from 1 to count of refimagenssemcaption
set fotodestino to item contadordestino of refimagenssemcaption
tell fotodestino
set dataexifdestino to value of EXIF tag "ImageDate" as date
set datadestino to my date_format(dataexifdestino) as string
end tell
if dataorigem is equal to datadestino then
repeat with tagcorrente in tagsorigem
set nometag to name of tagcorrente
set valortag to value of tagcorrente
tell fotodestino
try
make new IPTC tag with properties {name:nometag, value:valortag}
end try
end tell
end repeat
end if
end repeat
end if
set imagenscomcaption to {}
set imagenssemcaption to {}
end repeat
end tell
--routine to format a date into yyyy-mm-dd
on dateformat(olddate)
set {year:y, month:m, day:d} to old_date
tell (y * 10000 + m * 100 + d) as string to text 1 thru 4 & "-" & text 5 thru 6 & "-" & text 7 thru 8
end date_format

Hi there,
I don't know if this is a general thing or not with Aperture 2.1, but in my library (all referenced images on 3 external disks) lots of not really recent photos get their thumbnails and previews updated anytime I browse the library. Although it slows down aperture a little, it's not really a big issue. The problem is that many older images lose their IPTC data upon refresh. It just disappears, leaving only the keywords in place. Caption etc are all gone. I have tried to update some of this manually, but as soon as I use reveal in an applescript, so I can lift and stamp metadata from another picture in the shoot, some more files get updated etc. etc. I don't really know what's happening here, probably a bug, but I've written a little applescript to update them automatically.
What it does:
It goes through all albums in the library (you can probably change this to something less granular if you only use projects as the basis of your library) and applies the iptc of one of the images with iptc data to the ones without it. It's not 100% error proof but works in my setup. The way it works is it puts all images in one of 2 lists, with and without caption information. It then gets the exif date and the iptc data from the last image on the list with captions and applies the iptc data to any image on the list without captions with the same exif date (to avoid stamping images from albums that have images from various sources.
My library is organized into folders with the name of the external drive the referenced images are on. It then contains projects (with or without a certain theme) and withing those projects are albums that reflect the directory the images on the disks are in. This is a leftover of my old days with iview media pro. All images are within an album. One last thing: Run the script from the Aperture menu. From the script editor it's very slow, due to large amounts of text passing through.
Anyway, here's the script, I hope it helps, maybe it can serve as an example for scripts like it:
-- create lists for photos with and without captions applied and references to the lists (supposed to be faster)
set imagenscomcaption to {}
set imagenssemcaption to {}
set refimagenscomcaption to a reference to imagenscomcaption
set refimagenssemcaption to a reference to imagenssemcaption
tell application "Aperture"
--get all albums of the main library, i assume pictures in albums are related to each other and captions from one image can be applied to another
set albumsdefotos to albums of library 1
repeat with contadordealbums from 1 to the count of albumsdefotos
set cadaalbum to item contadordealbums of albumsdefotos
set fotos to image versions of cadaalbum
--get the name of the album and display it
set nomedoalbum to name of cadaalbum
display dialog (nomedoalbum as string) & " - album " & contadordealbums & " of " & (count of albumsdefotos) giving up after 2
-- get all photos in album and put them in the right group, with or without caption information
repeat with contadordefotos from 1 to the count of fotos
set fotocorrente to item contadordefotos of fotos
tell fotocorrente
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set nomesdostags to name of IPTC tags as string
-- add to either list depending on having an iptc tag or not
if nomesdostags contains "Caption" then
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if (count of refimagenscomcaption) is greater than 0 and (count of refimagenssemcaption) is greater than 0 then
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set fotoorigem to last item of refimagenscomcaption
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set dataexiforigem to value of EXIF tag "ImageDate" as date
set dataorigem to my date_format(dataexiforigem) as string
set tagsorigem to IPTC tags of fotoorigem
on error
set dataorigem to "0000-00-00"
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end tell
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repeat with contadordestino from 1 to count of refimagenssemcaption
set fotodestino to item contadordestino of refimagenssemcaption
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set dataexifdestino to value of EXIF tag "ImageDate" as date
set datadestino to my date_format(dataexifdestino) as string
end tell
if dataorigem is equal to datadestino then
repeat with tagcorrente in tagsorigem
set nometag to name of tagcorrente
set valortag to value of tagcorrente
tell fotodestino
try
make new IPTC tag with properties {name:nometag, value:valortag}
end try
end tell
end repeat
end if
end repeat
end if
set imagenscomcaption to {}
set imagenssemcaption to {}
end repeat
end tell
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on dateformat(olddate)
set {year:y, month:m, day:d} to old_date
tell (y * 10000 + m * 100 + d) as string to text 1 thru 4 & "-" & text 5 thru 6 & "-" & text 7 thru 8
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I would to be able to lift and stamp my raw
adjustments from image to image without having to
deselect each of the other metadata properties from
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My exclusion of other metadata remains until I close
Aperture. The next time I open it I am forced to once
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I really like Aperture a lot. However, Aperture is totally screwed up in white balance. I have been using Aperture for a few months now, but I don't seem to have found any work-around for its erratic white balance.
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I have started to pray and I'll start going back to church on Sunday if it means it will get fixed...
Can someone from Apple confirm that this problem is being addressed? Switching RAW processor is as expensive as switching camera system. Apple, please, if you're really listening to your customer.
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Question about stamping white balance

Hello,
I'm a beginner in Aperture and have the following question for which I haven't found an answer yet.
Let me explain what I did and where the problem rose:
I have a set of photo's (400+, RAW), all taken at the same location under nearly same conditions (oldtimer rally, outside, sunny weather).
I've adjusted the first image by choosing:
Exposure: 'auto'
White balance: 'auto'
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I changed the second image the same way.
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Fine sofar.
I lifted the adjustments of the second image:
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White balance : Auto White Balance
Exposure : Auto Exposure
Deselected everything but Adjustments for White balance and Exposure.
Selected image 3 until the last one and stamped them.
80% of the image's OK but for about 20% of the photo's, Aperture came up (in the Inspector) with "White balance: natural gray".
So I thought to be smart and changed one photo (White balance : natural gray) to Temperature & Tint.
Photo adjusted: OK.
If I lift the adjustments of this photo, Aperture shows:
Adjustments:
White balance : Temperature (4851.60), Tint (10.68)
Exposure : Auto Exposure
If I select this and use it to stamp all "White balance: natural gray" photo's, I have the problem that the 'stamp' also stamps the temperature and tint values where I want it, of course, to 'auto detect' these values as they are not the same for each photo for the best result.
Any solution for this?
Kind regards,
emeu1

oh, well that tell me a lot, it blends in on the other iPhones and iwas thinking about switching for the firs time and getting an iPhone 5s silver since its dropped down. I guess in all actuality it doest matter much, I'm jet one of those users with ocd and detail analysis, making sure its always up to standards. but all in all, I'm thinking to spend more time at an apple store messing with the white iPhones
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