LIV tolerance
I have set the PP tolerance limits to 1% and $ 2 as absolute limit, however when I do an invoice posting which is beyond either of these limits ( PO $ 100, invoice at $110) the system did not stop me from from posting. What am I missing as far as conig is concerned or otherwise?
Thank you in advance
Raj
Hi,
A stochastic block is a random block and this will block invoices that have natched and so this will not help you in this situation.
You need to check the tolerances as Raghu suggested.
Firstly check the PP variance that you have set, this should be for a low value and percentage (make sure that it is not flagged as "do not check".
If the PP tolernace is set correctly and yet it is still accpting large variances in value then check also the BD (Small differences) tolerance. This should be set to VERY small values (it is meant to allow very small differences such as those caused by rounding ot tax calculations). If the BD tolerance is set with a high value (or to not check) the system will allow you to post bany value up to this amount and it will not block the invoice either, because it will treat it as a rounding error.
Steve B
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Hi there,
We are on ECC 5.0 release.
We have four tolerances set up for LIV processing: BD,DQ,
PP, PS. We are trying to determine whether our tolerances are set up at the overall PO level or at the PO line item level. Can LIV tolerances be set up at the overall PO level? If so, can someone point me to the config?
Tolerances in general are confusing for us to understand. If anyone has a good white paper on it, that would be most helpful.
Thanks,Linda
See if this helps
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005/helpdata/en/a8/b9957a452b11d189430000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
Thnaks
Sat -
LIV tolerance for price variance from PO to LIV
Hi Friends,
I am finding difficulty in setting up the tolerance key for price variance from PO value to invoice value. Suppose if PO price is $100 then system should allow upto $105 with out blocking means with percentage of 5%. If it exceeds 5% system should block the invoice.
Please suggest the tolerance key to use and if any other settings required.
Thanks...
Best RegardsHi,
Following is the SAP help on the Tolerance settings for Invoice. Check the config and decide what is best for you (from your brief explanation it looks like AP and PP may be relevant fro your case)
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Set Tolerance Limits
In this step, you specify the tolerance limits for each tolerance key
for each company code.
When processing an invoice, the R/3 System checks each item for
variances between the invoice and the purchase order or goods receipt.
The different types of variances are defined in tolerance keys.
The system uses the following tolerance keys to check for variances:
o AN: Amount for item without order reference
If you activate the item amount check, the system checks every line
item in an invoice with no order reference against the absolute
upper limit defined.
o AP: Amount for item with order reference
If you activate the item amount check, the system checks specific
line items in an invoice with order reference against the absolute
upper limit defined. Which invoice items are checked depends on how
you configure the item amount check.
o BD: Form small differences automatically
The system checks the balance of the invoice against the absolute
upper limit defined. If the upper limit is not exceeded, the system
automatically creates a posting line called Expense/Income from
Small Differences, making the balance zero and allowing the system
to post the document.
o BR: Percentage OPUn variance (IR before GR)
The system calculates the percentage variance between the following
ratios: quantity invoiced in order price quantity units : quantity
invoiced in order units and quantity ordered in order price quantity
units : quantity ordered in order units. The system compares the
variance with the upper and lower percentage tolerance limits.
o BW: Percentage OPUn variance (GR before IR)
The system calculates the percentage variance between the following
ratios: quantity invoiced in order price quantity units: quantity
invoiced in order units and goods receipt quantity in order price
quantity units : goods receipt quantity in order units. The system
compares the variance with the upper and lower percentage limits
defined.
o DQ: Exceed amount: quantity variance
If a goods receipt has been defined for an order item and a goods
receipt has already been posted, the system multiplies the net order
price by (quantity invoiced - (total quantity delivered - total
quantity invoiced)).
If no goods receipt has been defined, the system multiplies the net
order price by (quantity invoiced - (quantity ordered - total
quantity invoiced)).
The system compares the outcome with the absolute upper and lower
limits defined.
This allows relatively high quantity variances for invoice items for
small amounts, but only small quantity variances for invoice items
for larger amounts.
You can also configure percentage limits for the quantity variance
check. In this case, the system calculates the percentage variance
from the expected quantity, irrespective of the order price, and
compares the outcome with the percentage limits configured.
The system also carries out a quantity variance check for planned
delivery costs.
o DW: Quantity variance when GR quantity = zero
If a goods receipt is defined for an order item but none has as yet
been posted, the system multiplies the net order price by (quantity
invoiced + total quantity invoiced so far).
The system then compares the outcome with the absolute upper
tolerance limit defined.
If you have not maintained tolerance key DW for your company code,
the system blocks an invoice for which no goods receipt has been
posted yet. If you want to prevent this block, then set the
tolerance limits for your company code for tolerance key DW to Do
not check.
o KW: Variance from condition value
The system calculates the amount by which each delivery costs item
varies from the product of quantity invoiced * planned delivery
costs/ planned quantity. It compares the variance with the upper and
lower limits defined (absolute limits and percentage limits).
o LA: Amount of blanket purchase order
The system determines the number of days by which the invoice is
outside the planned time interval. If the posting date of the
invoice is before the validity period, the system calculates the
number of days between the posting date and the start of the
validity period. If the posting date of the invoice is after the
validity period, the system calculates the number of days between
the posting date and the end of the validity period. The system
compares the number of days with the with the absolute upper limit
defined.
o PP: Price variance
The system determines by how much each invoice item varies from the
product of quantity invoiced * order price. It then compares the
variance with the upper and lower limits defined (absolute limits
and percentage limits).
When posting a subsequent debit/credit, the system first checks if a
price check has been defined for subsequent debits/credits. If so,
the system calculates the difference between (value of subsequent
debit/credit + value invoiced so far) / quantity invoiced so far *
quantity to be debited/credited and the product of the quantity to
be debited/credited * order price and compares this with the upper
and lower tolerance limits (absolute limits and percentage limits).
o PS: Price variance: estimated price
If the price in an order item is marked as an estimated price, for
this item, the system calculates the difference between the invoice
value and the product of quantity invoiced * order price and
compares the variance with the upper and lower tolerance limits
defined (absolute limits and percentage limits).
When posting a subsequent debit/credit, the system first checks
whether a price check has been defined for subsequent
debits/credits, If so, the system calculates the difference between
(value of subsequent debit/credit + value invoiced so far) /
quantity invoiced so far * quantity to be debited/credited and the
product quantity to be debited/credited * order price. It then
compares the variance with the upper and lower tolerance limits
defined (absolute limits and percentage limits).
o ST: Date variance (value x days)
The system calculates for each item the product of amount *
(scheduled delivery date - date invoice entered) and compares this
product with the absolute upper limit defined. This allows
relatively high schedule variances for invoice items for small
amounts, but only small schedule variances for invoice items for
large amounts.
o VP: Moving average price variance
When a stock posting line is created as a result of an invoice item,
the system calculates the new moving average price that results from
the posting. It compares the percentage variance of the new moving
average price to the old price using the percentage tolerance limits
defined.
Variances are allowed within predefined tolerance limits. If a variance
exceeds a tolerance limit, however, the system issues a message
informing the user. If an upper limit (except with BD and VP) is
exceeded, the invoice is blocked for payment when you post it. You must
then release the invoice in a separate step. If the tolerance limit for
BD is breached, the system cannot post the invoice.
Note that if you set all limits for a tolerance key to Do not check, the
system does not check that tolerance limit. Therefore any variance would
be accepted. This does not make sense particularly in the case of the
tolerance key Form small differences automatically.
Activities
Configure the tolerance limits for the individual tolerance keys.
Lower limit Upper limit
Absolute Percentage Absolute Percentage
AN - - X -
AP - - X -
BD X - X -
BR - X - X
BW - X - X
DQ - - X -
DW - - X -
KW X X X X
LA - - X X
LD X - X -
PP X X X X
PS X X X X
ST - - X -
VP - X - X
===============================================
Best Regards,
Siva -
If it is possible to do LIV without block ?
Dear Experts :
If the PO value is 1000000 USD , and LIV tolerance limit is 10% .
If there is any way to do LIV which over the tolerance limit without block ?
I have see the question before but I don't know how to do it .
Hope someone can help me .
Thanks.
Best Regards,
GaryHi,
To acieve this please set the message M8 298 (Value exceeds limit & & in PO) as information in OMRM T-code. In OBMSG make this message as information and save. Thanking you. -
Post an LIV invoice when it is out of tolerance
I need to understand how to post an LIV invoice when it is out of tolerance e.g. BD Small difference or PP. Once the clark parks the invoice and passes the invoice to supervisor, how does the supervisor posts the document? Where does the additional (amount higher than tolerance) amount go?
PO $100/ BD tolerance $10 but the invoice is for $115- where does the amount $5 get posted?
Need help.
Thanks in advance
RajHello, Raj,
ad BD "Form small differences automatically"
-- if the the document ballance is within the limit, the difference is posted to transaction key DIF;
-- if the the document ballance out of the limit, you cannot post the invoice;
ad PP "Price variance"
-- if is is for stock material, wit avr. price and quantity on stocks, it revaluates the actual stocks, i.e. transaction key BSX;
-- if the material is with standard price, or there is no or not enough quantity on stocks, the difference is posted to transaction key PRD;
Hope you'll find it helpfull.
Kind Regards
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Live migration with Fault Tolerance (FT)?
Dose the new version of VM server for SPARC (2.1) have an option for live migration with Fault Tolerance (seemlier to VMware FT)? while live migration is great it dose not protect against a server failure vs something like live migration with FT would makes this seamless.
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Thank you very much.
I tried SiteSurvey Plugin, now i know why it doesn't work
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Invoice Verification (LIV) - Vendor specific Tolerance
Hi Friends ,
Could some one jelp me to understand the following query
1.For company code "XXXX" I have configured invoice tolerance limit ( PP- Price variance) 10 % upper limit. For the same company code XXX I have created Vendor specific tolerance group as 20% upper limit and assigned to a vendor in vendor master. Now which one system will take . I guess it should be Vendor specific tolerance ?
2. In Point one , while creating vendor specific tolerance group , I have not configured anything for Lower limit . But in general tolerance I have configured ( PP- Price variance) Lower limit as 10%. If the invoice value goes below 10% for a vendor for whom we have assigned tolerance group in vendor master , how the system will behave. Will system take lower limit from general tolerance and block the invoice ? or it will not block as there is no lower limit in vendor specific tolerance group?
Pls help
DevaHi
as far as my understanding goes vendor tolerance and tolerance limits are different.
When you specify vendor tolerance limits and attach tolerance group to vendor master, then system issues a warning/error message at time of posting invoice about the difference. If tolerance is with in limits system allows you to process invoice otherwise not.
On otherhand tolerance limits like PP specified in OMR6 transaction are used for invoice blocking. If invoiced value exceeds the tolerance limits specified it will block IV for payment but will not stop user from processing IV.
Thanks -
I have a question with reference to following tolerances:
1- Tolerance key "PE" set at upper limit of 10%
2- Vendor specific tolerance set @ Auto accept + diff $ 5
Absolute upper limit $ 50
% upper limit 2%
Invoice block-
3- Small diff key "BD" $25
4- Price variance Absolute upper limit $ 5
% upper limit 5%
How will these tolerances work- the order? what comes first? which key supersedes the other and in what order?
In short I am trying to figure out is that the system looks at all of these 4 keys at the same time or does it look at any other way?
need help- is there any specific documentation I should look at?
Thanks
RajHello
When processing an invoice, the R/3 System checks each item for variances between the invoice and the purchase order or goods receipt. The different types of variances are defined in tolerance keys.
The system uses the following tolerance keys to check for variances:
AN: Amount for item without order reference
If you activate the item amount check, the system checks every line item in an invoice with no order reference against the absolute upper limit defined.
AP: Amount for item with order reference
If you activate the item amount check, the system checks specific line items in an invoice with order reference against the absolute upper limit defined. Which invoice items are checked depends on how you configure the item amount check.
BD: Form small differences automatically
The system checks the balance of the invoice against the absolute upper limit defined. If the upper limit is not exceeded, the system automatically creates a posting line called Expense/Income from Small Differences, making the balance zero and allowing the system to post the document.
BR: Percentage OPUn variance (IR before GR)
The system calculates the percentage variance between the following ratios: quantity invoiced in order price quantity units : quantity invoiced in order units and quantity ordered in order price quantity units : quantity ordered in order units. The system compares the variance with the upper and lower percentage tolerance limits.
BW: Percentage OPUn variance (GR before IR)
The system calculates the percentage variance between the following ratios: quantity invoiced in order price quantity units: quantity invoiced in order units and goods receipt quantity in order price quantity units : goods receipt quantity in order units. The system compares the variance with the upper and lower percentage limits defined.
DQ: Exceed amount: quantity variance
If a goods receipt has been defined for an order item and a goods receipt has already been posted, the system multiplies the net order price by (quantity invoiced - (total quantity delivered - total quantity invoiced)).
If no goods receipt has been defined, the system multiplies the net order price by (quantity invoiced - (quantity ordered - total quantity invoiced)).
The system compares the outcome with the absolute upper and lower limits defined.
This allows relatively high quantity variances for invoice items for small amounts, but only small quantity variances for invoice items for larger amounts.
You can also configure percentage limits for the quantity variance check. In this case, the system calculates the percentage variance from the expected quantity, irrespective of the order price, and compares the outcome with the percentage limits configured.
The system also carries out a quantity variance check for planned delivery costs.
DW: Quantity variance when GR quantity = zero
If a goods receipt is defined for an order item but none has as yet been posted, the system multiplies the net order price by (quantity invoiced + total quantity invoiced so far).
The system then compares the outcome with the absolute upper tolerance limit defined.
If you have not maintained tolerance key DW for your company code, the system blocks an invoice for which no goods receipt has been posted yet. If you want to prevent this block, then set the tolerance limits for your company code for tolerance key BW to Do not check.
KW: Variance from condition value
The system calculates the amount by which each delivery costs item varies from the product of quantity invoiced * planned delivery costs/ planned quantity. It compares the variance with the upper and lower limits defined (absolute limits and percentage limits).
LA: Amount of blanket purchase order
The system calculates the sum of the value invoiced so far for the order item and the value of the current invoice and compares it with the value limit of the purchase order. It then compares the difference with the upper percentage and absolute tolerances defined.
LD: Blanket purchase order time limit exceeded
The system determines the number of days by which the invoice is outside the planned time interval. If the posting date of the invoice is before the validity period, the system calculates the number of days between the posting date and the start of the validity period. If the posting date of the invoice is after the validity period, the system calculates the number of days between the posting date and the end of the validity period. The system compares the number of days with the with the absolute upper limit defined.
PP: Price variance
The system determines by how much each invoice item varies from the product of quantity invoiced * order price. It then compares the variance with the upper and lower limits defined (absolute limits and percentage limits).
When posting a subsequent debit/credit, the system first checks if a price check has been defined for subsequent debits/credits. If so, the system calculates the difference between (value of subsequent debit/credit + value invoiced so far) / quantity invoiced so far * quantity to be debited/credited and the product of the quantity to be debited/credited * order price and compares this with the upper and lower tolerance limits (absolute limits and percentage limits).
PS: Price variance: estimated price
If the price in an order item is marked as an estimated price, for this item, the system calculates the difference between the invoice value and the product of quantity invoiced * order price and compares the variance with the upper and lower tolerance limits defined (absolute limits and percentage limits).
When posting a subsequent debit/credit, the system first checks whether a price check has been defined for subsequent debits/credits, If so, the system calculates the difference between (value of subsequent debit/credit + value invoiced so far) / quantity invoiced so far * quantity to be debited/credited and the product quantity to be debited/credited * order price. It then compares the variance with the upper and lower tolerance limits defined (absolute limits and percentage limits).
ST: Date variance (value x days)
The system calculates for each item the product of amount * (scheduled delivery date - date invoice entered) and compares this product with the absolute upper limit defined. This allows relatively high schedule variances for invoice items for small amounts, but only small schedule variances for invoice items for large amounts.
VP: Moving average price variance
When a stock posting line is created as a result of an invoice item, the system calculates the new moving average price that results from the posting. It compares the percentage variance of the new moving average price to the old price using the percentage tolerance limits defined.
Variances are allowed within predefined tolerance limits. If a variance exceeds a tolerance limit, however, the system issues a message informing the user. If an upper limit (except with BD and VP) is exceeded, the invoice is blocked for payment when you post it. You must then release the invoice in a separate step. If the tolerance limit for BD is breached, the system cannot post the invoice.
Note that if you set all limits for a tolerance key to Do not check , the system does not check that tolerance limit. Therefore any variance would be accepted. This does not make sense particularly in the case of the tolerance key Form small differences automatically.
Regards -
Hi,
Kindly advise the path for checking the GR and IR tolerant setting.
Thank you.Hi
For invoice tolreance, you have to as below,
LIV
IMG---> MM-> LIV--> Invoice block----> Set tolerance limits, here you need to define for which activity you need to establocs tolerance limits. That is variances between the invoice and the purchase order or goods receipt.
There are different keys for each stage, there are 12 std. entries available for different variance posting, you can simply copy all of them and enter your company code. Once done, now go to each individual TLKEY and set the tolerance limits for the tolerance keys as required.
GR
You need to set the Purchasing value key in material master which controls the GR quantity , you can have tolreance key attached to the master and during GRN it behaves accordingly.
IMG-->MM>Purchasing>material master>Define Purchasing Value Keys-> Create your own tolerance keys inside uner GR/IR for under delivery and over delivery.
if you have left the field empty in Material master then , during PO creation in the delivery tab you can have the under delivery tab/over delivery tab fileds filled.
Finally check
IMG->MM>Inventory Management and Physical Inventory->Goods Receipt->Set Tolerance Limits-->Set the tolerance level, but this is for price variance level only and i do not think it is useful for you. Please use the purchaing value key or enter the tolerance levels in PO level for GR.
Best Regards
Edited by: samuel mendis on Apr 20, 2009 9:21 AM -
Dear All,
How to setup the tolerance limits for a user to enter MIRO invoices to 2% greater than the line amount of a Purchase order and no limit for less than the line amount.
Regards,
Shashank.
Edited by: Shashank on Sep 21, 2010 5:31 PMIMG MM \ LIV \ INvoice block \ set tolerange limits
key PP
Also read the config. help text. -
Tolerance Limits with Date and quantity
Hi Experts,
We would like to set the GR Tolerance Limits with Date and qty.
how to set the Tolerance Limits for Date and quantity..??
if we created PO 100qty and date 01-05-009.
if we receive the goods on 20-04-2009 and 50qty...
For GR .. Migo should be give error message..
where can i set this Tolerance Limit Configuration.... can u please explin me..
Thanks in Advance,
Anthyodaya .Go to SPRO - Material Managemetn - LIV - Invoice Block - Set Tolerence limit.
USe company code and maintain a value for ST
ST: Date variance (value x days)
The system calculates for each item the product of amount * (scheduled delivery date - date invoice entered) and compares this product with the absolute upper limit defined. This allows relatively high schedule variances for invoice items for small amounts, but only small schedule variances for invoice items for large amounts. -
Tolerance limits in Invoice Varification
Hi All
In Std SAP how to set the tolerance limits for Invoice Varification.
On what are all different parameters can i set these tolerence limits ?
That is in MIRO we do enter different values at Header level( Amout in basic data & Unplanned delivery cost) and at item level (Amount in PO reference, G/L a/c ,Material tabs)
Is it possible to set the toleremce limits for each of the above said values?
Pls advise..
With RegdsHi BSA
U can set tolerance limit in customization for following
Amount for item without order reference
Amount for item with order reference
Form small differences automatically
Percentage OPUn variance (IR before GR)
Percentage OPUn variance (GR before IR)
Exceed amount: quantity variance
Quantity variance when GR qty = zero
Var. from condition value
Amount of blanket purchase order
Blanket PO time limit exceeded
Price variance
Price variance: estimated price
Date variance (value x days)
Moving average price variance
Path
Spro>MM>LIV>Invoice Block>Set Tolerance Limits
Vishal... -
Tolerance limits in the invoice creation
Hi,
I am not able to create invoice using BAPI function module.
I am getting the error 'Maintain tolerance limits for tolerance key BD (Company Code 1007)'.
What are the tolerance limits and How can I maintain these.
Can anyone please help me to solve this problem.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
EswarDear Eswar,
For invoices without reference to a PO or those with reference to PO,in customizing for Material Management under
Logistic Invoice verification: Invoicing Block: Set tolerance limit, You can set diffrence tolerance limit for each company code.
If you enter an item with a large amount it make sense to often block this invoice in order to check.For this for each co. code
Path: SPRO : LIV : Invoice Block: Item amount check :Activate item amount check.
In addition to above
Path: SPRO : LIV : Invoice Block: Item amount check :Set item amount check.
I hope this will help you.If so reward points
Vivek Maitra -
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So, here I am 17/03/2010. I am stuck with 1.3/.448kps. I will send a copy of this post to both the forum mods and BT technical help. However, after reading this board I am really hoping the board mods here can help me.
Please BT, I am trying so hard, for so long and all I get is lower speed...! I call up technical help but they cannot connect me with anyone who can help, they need to pass on the message to BT Wholesale, or the next tier. BT Wholesale I know just sell broadband to BT Total Broadband, BT Wholesale from what I understand seem rather unwilling to do anything much on a individual basis, I guess the competition being what it is they do not really have to go very far or extend themselves. Maybe I'm being unfair and I've got it all wrong, I think a lot of customers wonder really how it actually all does work when it comes to the hierarchy! I do know that some poor bloke in India is trying to understand me.... and I do genially believe these people do try to help and are knowledgeable but the language barrier is greater than the technical one. I would so like to discuss this with someone in a position to explain clearly to me what I can do and I do not accept that nothing can be done.
When I am recovered although going back to nursing will be impossible(with it's inherent moving and handling.... no lifting any more.... hah, rubbish!... with my back as it is and always will be, it's not going to happen). I have been seriously considering becoming a telecoms engineer, it is such a fascinating field for me. I became a nurse for many reasons, one of them, once as a patient I received very poor care and I was left for hours in very bad pain, a RN was actually disciplined for what happened to me.... in any case I learnt first hand what good care means to people. I believe that is no different in telecoms, I think it would be true to say that many ISP's recieve pretty harsh comments from people obviously stressed, I know how one little thing, or in my case a few little things can make a difference, to me it would be a HUGE difference that would impact my day-to-day life! With my interest in the field and that belief I think I might have a place somewhere, who knows!
After this, if nothing happens, I feel I may have a case with Ofcom, at least I can look into it. Again, I am prepared to pay for legal help in this. I REALLY hope it does not get that far as I really want to work with BT to achieve a positive outcome. I really don't think what I am asking is much, and I am prepared to pay for it. As it is I speak to people hundreds of miles away... you've read my problems here!
For the short term I would like BT to re-profile my line so the SN MArgin is 5 and the speed is increased as far as possible with this SNR Margin(I think 2.5+ should be obtainable). I understand the risks and accept the consequences of this. I would also like to speak to someone and confirm the status of the wiring in my house as I am certain that split cabling, sometimes down to the copper, is contributing to the line noise and it's so simple to deal with!
In the near future I would like to think though that somehow it is still possible for an engineer to do something with my line distance, payment or no payment, maybe they could do that with a visit to look at the general bad quality with occasional noise problems on my line(voice) and the dodgy wiring in my house.
I would ask BT to call me on my mobile.... every time I have a voice call, applications start disconnecting, etc. I know that there is a Annex that allows you to use the 'space' in the frequencies reserved for voice calls as part of the downstream, is it possible to impliment this, until recently most of my calls were made online.... now with the downspeed being 1.3 it's hard to hold a conversation.... and as I said theres the dreaded 'quiet' thing on the 'normal' phone!
I am really hoping that someone could help me..... I know this makes long reading but just think.... an engineer could have probably 're-profiled' my line and fixed my voice line in the time it's taken you to read this. And the difference it would make to me would be a HUGE one.
Thanks for reading!I emailed the mods yesterday, with that rather long post and was wondering how long it would take them usually to get back to someone. I gave them all my account details.....
I just hope they do not try and call me on the BT line as the line is not connected to a telephone.... using it sometimes causes programs to disconnect. Anyone have any ideas of when I'm likely to hear something, I am holding of sending the email to any other department in BT as it seems the forum mods/admin do a good job in sorting things out! Or do these guys tend to stick to email, that being the case I hope they use the email I provided and not the one attached to the BT account(the [email protected] one I NEVER use).
I also need to discuss with them the 57gb/36Gb excess on my Option 2 account. There is no WAY I did that..... sometimes I end up uploading a lot more on torrents(I find it funny that my friend with an 8meg connection still has the same upload capability as me.....448!). I am pretty angry that BT did not make me aware that the use was going so crazy, they want £37 from me that as a disabled person on benefits I really cannot afford for this. I have a suspicion that recently someone has managed to gain access to my router, these routers(BT Homehub, I have the old V1.0/white one that I originally had at install, despite the fact that I have renewed the 12 month contract for about 3+ years and asked time and time again if I could have a new homehub(need more ethernet ports.... and surely the newer ones must have some improvements that could benefit me?). I was told that I would be sent a new hub but none has yet appeared, my old router still handling low speeds.... I am out of contract now and don't want to enter into another contract quite yet. If BT still cannot do anything for me than I don't think I can stay around.... although we cannot get Virgin Digital(and high speed broadband) THIS side of the road, I now that there are several people activily trying to convince Virgin to cross over.... then theres the new BT Infinity service going live in this area in November.... then again maybe G4(mobile comms- 100kps!) might be my way.
Maybe BE's short monthly contract packages would suit me..... I really hope my issues are looked into and we can sort things out together but so far I've done a lot of talking/calling and BT have done very little.... actually my service has got FAR worse!....... waiting and hoping for your help here mod guys.... I am sure you will do what you can -
BioShock 2 Live Chat - Transcript
Transcript for “BioShock 2 Developer Chat”, Tues Feb 2 2010 (Part I)
Aaron-GS: Good evening and welcome to our BioShock 2 developer chat! Tonight we have with us Jordan, Melissa and Zak from 2K Marin.
Aaron-GS: This chat is queued and moderated, so please allow the developers some time to review and respond to your questions.
Aaron-GS: Please also refrain from asking complex, multi-part questions to be fair to other participants.
Jordan-2kMarin: Hi. I'm Jordan, and I'll try to refrain from asking flattering questions to myself.
Zak-2kMarin: Hey everybody! Really cool to get the chance to talk to actual Bioshock fans -- looking forward to you questions. Fire away. Give Jordan the hard ones.
Melissa-2kMarin: Hey all - I'm Miller and I'm less funny than Jordan and Zak
Guest-12: To all three: What would you say is your favorite aspect of Bioshock 2?
Melissa-2kMarin: I think my favorite part of the game is watching players discover new combinations of Weapons and Plasmids in Multiplayer (MP). There are so many different ways you can use the Plasmids in the match to help you win like using Winter Blast on doorways to block players from escaping you.
Guest-66: Is there multiplayer?
Melissa-2kMarin: Yes
Guest-27: Hi guys! Thanks for this awesome opportunity. How will the matchmaking system in multiplayer work? ie. will it have a local search or pick whoever has the better connection, regardless of distance?
Jordan-2kMarin: For me it's probably the extension of the argument about player choice (particularly within shooters) that the original posed. In BioShock 2, not only do you have the freedom to make story-altering decisions, but that freedom defines you. So by Act 3, the broad strokes of the story are all about you.
Melissa-2kMarin: Matchmaking takes 3 things into account - ping, skill level and your Rank in game. The system tries to match you with other players with similar values for those 3 things. Additionally we have Private Matches so you can play with your friends regardless of differences in Rank but you won't earn ADAM to rank up.
Guest-59: Geez, idk what to ask. hmm. I know! Thanks for making a great game! Will there still be houdini splicers? :3
Zak-2kMarin: Yep, we brought the Houdini's back! Plus, we now have that Plasmid in MP, so you can use the same hit-and-run tactics yourself.
Guest-43: What was it like to develop the multiplayer? Was it a challenge considering it's the first time you have made a multiplayer section of a game? (I assume)
Guest-58: Was there more focus on the single player or multiplayer?
Guest-65: how much of a challenge was it to come up with a new creative way to add more in depth story line and game play this time around?
Zak-2kMarin: We actually had full teams working on each portion -- the 2k Marin studio on SP and Digital Extremes on the MP side. The big advantage for this is the BOTH were the main focus, just for different teams. Lot's of communication back and forth, but both sides were primarily concerned with making MP or SP as good as possible.
Guest-45: What was the most difficult part you found when going back to Rapture and creating BioShock 2?
Melissa-2kMarin: MP was a really interesting challenge but in a good way We had to look at all the things that were truly 'BioShock' and figure out which ones worked for MP and which didn't. For instance, you can't have 8 Weapons equipped at once in MP like you do Single Player - trying to choose between that many Weapons would get you **bleep**ed - so we gave the player 2 Weapons slots in each loadout so they can switch between Weapons faster. Also tech wise, MP wasn't even part of the engine when we started. The tech team at Digital Extremes did an amazing job of getting MP working and making it great.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-65 ... a big fat drug-addled screaming one. We had sort of a two-audience challenge this time, building new unknown territory into the Rapture mythos for veterans of the original, while introducing the setting to people who were unfamiliar. So our best strategy is the sort of double-entendre, i.e. the introductory levels serve as a crash course in Rapture, but they're filled with references and layered meaning for people who know the first game intimately.
Zak-2kMarin: Trying to recapture that first feeling of discover and mystery that we all got from coming over that sea wall and seeing Rapture for the first time. It's a hard act to follow, but we really focused on trying to get that mix of wonder and foreboding back into Rapture, without totally rebooting it.
Guest-74: As Ayn Rand's objectivist philosophy clearly influenced and formed the basis of Rapture in the first game, can we expect to see any other philosphical viewpoints explored in the second iteration? Obviously without spoilers
Guest-12: Can we expect secret achievements besides the story specific ones?
Guest-14: Who gets to wear the Delta suit that was supposed to come in the Uber edition? Like is it the same person at the Splicer's Unite and the video of unboxing the collector edition, or is it shared? (As well as how fun is it to be wearing it)
Jordan-2kMarin: Dr. Sofia Lamb, our primary antagonist in BioShock 2, is sort of a union between philosophy and evolutionary psychology. To get an idea of how her mind works, check out the works of John Stuart Mill, Karl Marx, and Richard Dawkins.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-12... Yep, there are a ton of secret achievments and trophies! Some of them are focuses on totally mastering specific systems or gameplay, but there are some other ones that just reward clever or interesting behavior -- Like the famous "Irony" achievement from Bio1.
Jordan-2kMarin: (also, if you do so, congratulations, you're a nerd)
Guest-84: Is there one underwater section, or are there multiple ones throughout the game?
Jordan-2kMarin: There are several of varying lengths, which help break the pace.
Guest-35: What system should i get it for!Trick question lol! DLC will 360 get before ps3!
Jordan-2kMarin: I think Guest-35 may be a splicer.
Zak-2kMarin: We recomend you get them all.
Guest-39: Compared to the development of Bioshock 1, which was originally for Xbox 360 and PC before being ported to Playstation 3, this time around you've obviously developed the game from the beginning across all three consoles. Did this cause any issues/ limitations between versions?
bnogradi28: I am very well informed about BioShock 2 due to many previews. So my question is about beyond BioShock 2's release, the DLC. Can you give us info about this. Are you panning on having challenge rooms like the first or added story? And, will Digital Extremes be producing any DLC for the multiplayer like skins and maps? (PS loved the first, I be in line at midnight!)
Elizabeth-2k: There are a couple different people who have worn the Delta suit - and yes, it's very fun to wear it (although the drill is very heavy and quite intimidating as you can imagine.)
Guest-86: Did multiplayer have a story from the beginning, or was it a decision that was made much later in development?
Jordan-2kMarin: Story integration was always part of the design, but setting it in the 1959 Rapture Civil War sort of emerged over time.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-39 ... It was actually pretty smooth. We had the experience from porting Bioshock 1 over to PS3 at the studio and nearly everybody has all three platforms sitting on their desks. We're constantly running the game on all three.
Melissa-2kMarin: bnogradi28 - Yes we will have DLC!!! But we unfortunately can't talk about the specific details right now.
Guest-82: One of my favourite parts of the game was the audio diaries and ghostly images that appeared in places will there still be the same quantity of diaries/strange events?
Guest-32: Who is responsible for the development of Something In The Sea?
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-82 - We have a similar density of those kinds of events in BioShock 2, if anything, there may be a few more audio diaries per level, and unlike the original, you meet several of our main characters face to face.
Melissa-2kMarin: Something in the Sea is the awesome brainchild of our community manager Elizabeth Tobey
Guest-85: Can we in Boston expect anything else for Splicers Unite? Do you guys have anything planned for PAXEast in March?
topdawg116: Hi, I'm a student studying at Rochester Institute of Technology majoring in Game Design & Development. I was wondering if you had any tips or secrets of being successful in the games industry. Thanks!
Elizabeth-2k: Splicers Unite has moved west - our last event is happening on February 8th in San Francisco.
Guest-59: Will you guys be watching TV for your launch trailer tonight?
Guest-89: can we see Delt's feet if we look down or can we see a refelction of ourself if we look in a mirror?
Guest-42: To all three: Would you say Bioshock 2 multiplayer is competitive enough to lead to tournaments, clan gaming, and even MLG?
Guest-43: For the multiplayer did you take inspiration from other multiplayer games while making it? What kind of ideas did you expand on or bring into the MP that we havent seen before?
Guest-23: Did you plan on meshing the Mark Meltzer plot into any portion of Bisoshock 2?
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-23 A - wait and see.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-89... Feet / reflections for Delta is actually something we played around with for a while, but we ultimately made the decision that we wanted to focus on more of the stuff the player would see all the time. Delta does have a shadow at all times, though, which leads to some pretty cool freakouts when you come around a corner and see it looming ahead of you.
Guest-65: How conflicting was it to make a visual point to show andrew ryans side as opposed to sophia lambs side, since the civil war started 3 yrs prior to bs1?
Guest-45: How do you all feel about having worked on this project; it now being such a large influence in so many people's lives?
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-65 - well the Single Player component takes you to all-new locations, many of which were either where Lamb's followers were hiding out, or are one of her properties, et cetera. So while we made sure to showcase Ryan's ideas in the intro levels, we sort of circumvented that issue by taking you on a sort of "backstage tour" with the SP campaign.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-45... It's pretty humbling. We've all been heads down on the project for a pretty long time, so coming up for air finally and seeing how big and how excited the response is has been fantastic. Knowing how much every loves the world of Rapture has kept us pretty honest throughout the whole project, though. We can wait to see how people really react to the final game!
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-43 - Definitely. Multiplayer fans know what works and we didn't want players to quit the game before they've even started. We spent a lot of time looking at other successful MP games and pinpointing the aspects that worked (accessible and clear UI to get into matches quickly or connecting with friends easily). We tried to make sure that we provided those elements in BioShock 2 MP. In terms of new ideas, the BioShock gameplay is completely unique to our MP mode. There is nothing else like it out there
Guest-35: Is there going to be a underwater MP level!
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-35 - Well technically they are all underwater But there is no MP underwater combat.
Jordan-2kMarin: She's sassy.
Guest-81: Seeing Heavy Water made an awesome looking Big Daddy costume, can we expect more Bioshock items for PlayStation Home?
Jordan-2kMarin: We haven't announced anything yet so no definitive answer on that one, but if we did, it'd be based on fan response to our fancy duds.
Guest-131: Who would win in a fight: Two Big daddies Vs. One Big Sister?
Guest-149: How much influence was taken from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand? And what other influences added to the story arcs in Bioshock 1 and 2? Such as novels that would be interesting to read and connect to both games.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-149 ... check out the 2k Forums, there's a thread in the BioShock General Discussion area all about reading material that may interest the arch-nerd audience.
Guest-86: I just wanted to say "thank you" to everyone for your hard work and dedication! You guys rock!
Melissa-2kMarin: Thank you and thanks to you guys for coming on and asking good questions
Guest-82: In regards to something in the sea will there be any way for us fans of it to play it offline or be able to go through it again to pick up pieces we may have missed or just to be able to run through again at our own pace?
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-131 ... This is actually something that you can try out for yourself in the game! (With the Hypnotize Plasmid) My money would probably be on a Big Sis, though. They can heal themselves back up by absorbing health from other Splicers, so Big Sisters can put up a heck of a fight. And she's fast! So, a Big Sis vs. 2 Bouncers would probably end up with the Big Sis standing at the end, but a Big Sis against 2 Rumblers might be a more even fight.
Guest-89: ahhh sad to see that was pulled how about when we use the scout plasmid will we be able to 360 check ourself out aka delta? does he have a 3D model to look at while in ghost/scout mode?
Elizabeth-2k: Something in the Sea will remain online after release - don't worry about that. Every part of it is still there. There's also a fan-run BioShock 2 wiki that has a fantastic timeline if you wanted to use that to catch up.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-89, yes, you can see yourself in ghost form, and boy does he look confident. He looks like he's dating the entire Ryan's Raider's cheerleading squad ... and all the players.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-89 ... Yep, there's a "Dealta Body" left behind when you go Scouting. It's a little ghostly though so that it isn't such a sitting duck for other Splicers to find. The Decoy Plasmid also uses a Delta model!
Nastadon: Did you guys want to get rid of backtracking? Or did it just sort of happen based on the level design?
bnogradi28: Will the desicions in BioShock 2 be more effective into the storyline instead of the harvest or rescue which led to different ending videos. Will there actually be different gameplay depending on descisions. And, would you kindly give me a free UBER edition?
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Private MessageTranscript for “BioShock 2 Developer Chat”, Tues Feb 2 2010 (Part III)
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-42 ... 2K Aus is basically Marin's sister studio. They did a ton over the course of the project ... tech, levels, animation, effects, the whole shebang. We were really lucky to work with them again, because they were so close to the first game. The Siren Alley and Fontaine Futuristics levels were primarily done out of Aus (including that awesome flooding sequence we showed in Siren Alley). We [heart] 2K Australia!
Melissa-2kMarin: BioshockBigdad - There are 7 modes in MP - 5 base modes plus 2 variations. The 5 base modes are Survivial of the Fittest (FFA), Civil War (TDM), Capture the Sister (variation of CTF), Turf War (Control territory points) and ADAM Grab (hold onto the Little Sister the longest). The 2 variations are Last Splicer Standing and Team ADAM Grab.
Guest-85: "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?" Is Bioshock2 as quotable as the first? Answer quickly, "would you kindly." Thanks a lot for answering our questions!
Guest-212: Were there any specific other viral campaigns that Something in the Sea was inspired by?
Guest-45: Will there be any liquor/snacks lying around Rapture for Delta to consume this time around, and will they have the same effects?
Guest-71: Do you guys think you will do a "Game With the Developers" thing? I remember hearing that one was done for Left 4 Dead 2 and thought it would be neat to go head to head in multiplayer with the creators!
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-71 - that would be cool to do though I would probably get my **bleep** kicked
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-85 - actually, only the Internet can answer that question. Wait a few months after release, and see if anyone's quoting Little Sisters in debate class, then posting on AngryJerk.com in triumph.
Elizabeth-2k: Guest 212: There were quite a few that inspired me - you can probably guess a few. I'm a pretty big nerd and love this kind of stuff, so I had a lot to draw on. With a world as rich as BioShock 2, though, you have so much material to work with to begin with.
Guest-175: Rapture, it's full of not only Art Deco but multiple art forms. To what lengths did the artists go to develop such beautiful areas?
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-45 ... Yep -- there's still a lot to eat and drink down in Rapture. All those Splicers have to live somehow. We actually added a bunch of new ones that the citizens had to resort to over ten years at the bottom of the sea -- distilled water, homemade medicine, and the like. These have some similar effects to Bioshock 1 -- restoring a bit of Eve or Health.
bnogradi28: Is there any minecarts in the game?
Zak-2kMarin: bnogradi28 ... Almost! We couldn't geta real minecart in, or a snowy level where you slip around and have to race a penguin, but Ryan Amusements does have little mini-bathyspheres that ride around on tracks for the Journey to the Surface ride in that area.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-175 - we have a healthy balance of fine art snobs and bearded, shirtless Outsider Art nutjobs who paint exclusively with anger. For reference, they'd pull from the more fantastical hybrid tech of something like Brazil, to very detailed books about corporate logos of the 30s ... all the way to footage of the Titanic wreck.
Guest-149: Will all the weapons/plasmids from Bioshock be making a return?
Guest-192: Does BioShock 2 have many "jump" moments? Like in med pavilion where the thuggish Dr. Grossman appears behind you after you look at the painting?
BioshockBigdad: Im hearing alot about Lamb the main evil villian in Bioshock 2 but are there anymore lead villians that you can inform me about?
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-192... Heck, yes. That kind of "cat in the bushes" scare moment is a classic and something level designers love to pack into their levels when you're not looking. Rapture's still a dangerous place and they'll be plenty of surprises LIEK RIGHT BEHINGD YOU AGAEIDGSDN
Jordan-2kMarin: We've got to hold some back for Scooby Doo reveals.
Guest-202: can we chose conversation responses to ai characters? or is
Chronic_Alchemy: One more thing! What's the max amount of kits & Eve you can carry in Single Player? So far it only looks like 5... :[
Zak-2kMarin: Chronic_Alchemy ... Yep, the default number of First Aid and Eve Hypos you can carry was lowered to 5, but they restore more when you use them. We wanted to capture a bit of the "strength" of being a Big Daddy by having you be a bit more durable and not have to heal quite as often. You'll still be doing it plenty thought -- Brute Splicers and Big Sisters pack a punch. Oh, and there are Tonics you can find / purchase that raise this number.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-202 - there are no dialogue trees in BioShock, we want to keep you immersed, and slowing you down to lock verbal horns with a guy like Andrew Ryan would really kind of ruin the intended pace & momentum of the piece. We're not by any means elitist about them in other games, they just don't fit the bill for BioShock.
Guest-87: How does a Big Daddy go about eating? Delta in particular.
Guest-127: Hey, will there be more upclose visits with characters in Bio 2 like meeting Andrew Ryan than in 1? Thanks.
Zak-2kMarin: It's really messy. You don't really want to know. Actually, we were really, REALLY close to having a audio diary in the game on this exact subject, but we decided it was too rich, too deep of a mystery to spoil.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-127 - Yes, several more. We put a lot of effort into those, although they're not frequent enough to become annoying. They're kind of apex confrontation moments w/ key characters.
FrenchRapture: Hello! ( I'm a French fan ) In the collector, why did you choose a vynil? It's a very old support...
Guest-85: Last question for me: Is the launch trailer (debuting tonight) going to be the opening cinematic of the game?
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-85 - no.
Jordan-2kMarin: :0
Jordan-2kMarin: The intro is its own animal.
Zak-2kMarin: FrenchRapture ... There are record players all over Rapture and it seemed like the most fitting format to deliver the soundtrack on. So far, people have been pretty excited about it!
Guest-255: What is the main language Bioshock 1/2 were programmed in? What languges would you reccomend learning for a student heading to the games industry?
Guest-158: Will there be funny Easter Eggs like the Pacman "Wheel of Cheese" from BS1
Zak-2kMarin: The game is mostly written in C++. This is pretty standard accross the industry, so you can't go wrong with a solid foundation in it. Good luck!
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-158: The real question is, how many of them are genuinely intended, and how many do you guys just make up in your heads, allowing us to later say, "nudge wink oh yeah we're super clever"
Guest-149: Will all the weapons and plasmids from the first Bioshock be making a return?
Guest-123: Was there any one thing in BioShock that you thought, "Oh! I'd love to do more/learn more about that!" that you were able to add into BioShock 2?
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-123 - I was always interested in humanizing the warped father-bond between Big Daddies and Little Sisters. It became the player's core (initial,anyway) motive for crossing the city, his mission in life. Our themes touch pretty heavily on family in a broad way.
Guest-266: will you guys join the multiplayer with us to once the game is released?
Guest-175: Voice acting question! (I'm running out of ides >.<) From what I understand, Ken the clown's voice is actually Ken Levine. If anyone of you could have voice acted in BioShock 2, what would you have been? (Personally, I see Jordan as a book critique, Zak as a shoe shiner, Melissa as a artist and Liz as a scientist ^_^)
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-175 - this is only a partial answer, but I actually do have a single line in BioShock 2. It'll be interesting to see if the fans can figure out which.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-149 ... Except for Sonic Boom, all the original Plasmids are returning in some form, though they all level up as you buy upgrades and some of them change pretty substantially in funcition. Basically, everyone who played Bio1 has ONE Plasmid that was their favorite and we knew we couldn't leave anyone out in the cold. Weapons are a bit trickier -- because you're a Big Daddy now, a lot of the more traditional weapons from Bioshock 1 didn't make a lot of sense. (Subject Delta would look a bit silly holding a pistol.) Beyond that, we really wanted to free up you left hand, so that you could use weapons and Plasmids at the same time, so all weapons had to be designed to work one handed and fit with a Big Daddy. That said, I think we've got a good enough spread of weapon types (and a bunch of great new Alternate Ammo types) that you won't be missing Jack's weapon set. And if you do, most of them are in multiplayer.
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-266 - I don't know if we will have any official event but I definitely plan on playing at home when the game comes out to see what crazy combos people come up with
Guest-45: Going off of my previous question regarding liquor and snacks: does this mean we have the pleasure of seeing a drunken big daddy?
BioshockBigdad: Is there a person in side of the big daddy suit I always wondered about this. lol i guess a dumb question BUT I MUST KNOW.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-45 ... Subject Delta's tolerance is a bit higher,but yeah, you can be a drunk Daddy.
Jordan-2kMarin: BioshockBigdad - yes, we can say definitively (now, as it's sort of central to our story) that Big Daddies were once human, and in BioShock 2, you're sort of a man trapped inside a monster, questing to recover your sole human connection.
Guest-192: If i remember right, there was a plane in one of the preveiw videos? Was that a referance or something else?
Guest-202: are there any ways i can get the tracks from the vinyl on my se in any other way? i really want to listen to them but have no way to play it. allthough i agree it fits the game.
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-192 ... Good catch! We kind of like to leave things like that for the fans to decide, but you can probably make some safe assumptions there.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-202 - the original game's score is available in the Download section of the Cult of Rapture site. Those are the tracks on the vinyl. The BioShock 2 score is also in the SE, on a CD.
Guest-224: Hello again! Do you think a multilayer mode big daddy fight? For an example, big daddy fight or team big daddy fight? Thank you.And i didn't see my first question replied If i'm wrong sorry
Guest-71: Do the various vending machines still make music and the occasional comment?
Guest-87: Which character do each of you relate to the most?
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-71 ... For a while, the Ammo Bandito did not talk. And there was MUTINY on the team. Both he and the Circus of Values clown are back, but they're a little worse for wear after all that time.
Jordan-2kMarin: For me it'd probably be Sinclair. Lamb voices a lot of utilitarian ideas I'm interested in, but I'm way, way too selfish to live them the way she does. Sinclair is a moral relativist, like most of us... he's self-interested but not predatory ... has a soft spot for humanity and doesn't begrudge them their shortcomings. He's just, uh, willing to cross several lines I'd probably stop short of.
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-224 - You are able to play as a Big Daddy (the Rosie model) in many of the modes and fight with the rest of Splicers. Playing as a Big Daddy is a very different experience - you are a lot slower and have less combat choices but you are much more powerful than the average Splicer. For balance reasons, its best to have 1 at time in the match
Guest-254: Will we get to see some sane people in Rapture? I heard there were rumors about the splicers having **bleep**ed all of them in the first Bioshock game and I'm assuming that ten years later, they're pretty much non-existant.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-254 - Yep, several of our major characters are unspliced this time around.
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-87 - I relate most to an MP character - Naledi. She's a total tomboy and swears a lot
Zak-2kMarin: Oh good one.
Guest-149: Now I have to ask specifically, will we see the Crossbow again? Or just in multiplayer? Thanks for the answer regarding weapons. And thanks to all of ya'll for asnwering questions.
Jordan-2kMarin: We're gonna have to coerce Melissa into dressing as Naledi at some Splicers Unite event.
Guest-192: Are there new vending machines or are they just the same?
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-192 and Guest-271 ... We did play around with adding new machines or changing the Ammo Bandito / Circus of Values for a while, but they were just such iconic parts of Rapture to everyone that we couldn't get them out of the game.
Guest-231: Are the invent machines returning for Bioshock 2?
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-149 - The crossbow does return in MP. For SP it couldn't really work since its too small for Delta. Instead he gets this kick-**bleep** Speargun that is AWESOME. You can headshot Splicers into the wall and leave them their as a trophy to your skills. That's not to say the Crossbow in MP isn't awesome too
Guest-266: will the 2kmarin staff celebrate once the game is released? a big party ?
Jordan-2kMarin: More of an afterparty. First, the blood orgy.
Guest-254: Will we get some more background information on Tenenbaum and her life with the rest of the Little Sisters prior to the events of Bioshock 2?
H00n: When a player hits max level in multiplayer, what happens next? Will they be able to "prestige"?
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-231 ... The U-Invent and the crafting system that went along with it is one of the few things that we did cut from Bioshock 1. We had so many other improvements / changes (New Hacking / New Research / Plasmid Upgrades / New Weapons / Etc.) that there just wasn't room to give the U-Invent the time it needed to get into the game. It's not something we did lightly, but there is still plenty of good stuff to loot and find in Rapture. Just a lot fewer Steel Screws and Rubber Hoses.
Melissa-2kMarin: H00n - something really cool that is spoileriffic and can't be revealed
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-254 - A little bit, although Tenenbaum is very focused in her return to the city. She sees the creation of new Little Sisters as the ultimate traumatic echo, her own greatest sin, repeating again as if nothing was learned.
Guest-45: Is there any talk in BioShock 2 regarding a possible reversal of the Big Daddy-ification process?
Guest-12: A question for all three: Harvest, or save?
Zak-2kMarin: Guest-12... I always Save. I'm pretty sure these other two jerks harvest. I think.
Jordan-2kMarin: Guest-45 - Sinclair pitches the idea to the player as a hypothetical. But that's as much as we can say now.
Melissa-2kMarin: Guest-12 - Save - I like the gifts
Jordan-2kMarin: Harvest or Rescue? Bah. Try Adopt, then suicide, then coldly abandon as they cry outside the Vita-Chamber.
Guest-87: Is Fontaine truly, 100% dead?
Jordan-2kMarin: "BEHOLD MY TRUE FORM! SEE HERE AS I TRY TO TALK LIKE CAGNEY FROM MY SEVENTY MOUUUUUTHS"
Zak-2kMarin: Man, thanks everyone! This has been really cool. Lot's of great (and tough!) questions. Hope you enjoy the game and we'll see you on the forums! (When I get off my butt and start posting, which I TOTALLY will do this week.)
Jordan-2kMarin: Thanks for your questions, all. I dare you to start wearing blue butterflies to work, school, or the exercise yard in your correctional facility.
Melissa-2kMarin: Thanks for all the questions people (sorry we couldn't answer every one of them). Hope to see you all online in MP next week
Elizabeth-2k: Thanks guys! See you on the forums (and in Rapture!)
Aaron-GS: That's all the time we have for this evening! Thank you everyone for being here, and a big thank you to Jordan, Melissa, Zak AND Elizabeth!
Aaron-GS: A transcript of the chat will be posted in the Gaming board in the next 24 hours.
Aaron-GS: Happy gaming!
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