Logic Control & "Global View"

Hi,
When switching Global View on a Logic Control unit, say from Audio Tracks to Audio Instruments, the LCD always jumps to the highest instrument or track available. For example, I might be using 8 of 24 available audio tracks and five of 64 available audio instruments. When I switch views the LCD will show either instrument 64 on the left, or audio track 24. I then must either select an instrument via mouse on the arrange page or scroll back via the bank buttons on the LC to have, say, audio instrument 1 visible. Why? Any fix out there?
Along the same line, an improvement in the Logic Control interface would be intelligent switching between views on the LCD. For example, if an audio track is selected via mouse on the arrange page, the LC view would jump to that "type" of view even if the global view selected (on the LC) was "Outputs" or "Midi Tracks".
Cheers,
RW

On my system (with Logic Control) each Global page remembers where it last was. If I was looking at busses 9-16 last time I was on the Global bus mode, that is where I return to next time I engage busses in Global mode.
I like the fact that the LC does not switch to another object type when in Global mode. I use this to use the faders for busses while looking at tracks.
I do wish that tracks which are hidden in the arrange (and track mixer) would also be hidden on the LC when not in Global mode. This would allow global mode to show any object regardless of hidden state or use in the Arrange, and Global off to reflect the track status of the Arrange page.

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Has anybody got their setup like this? I've been trying to get this to work for the past 6 hours and no luck. Can someone please help me? Just bought Studio 2 days ago and haven't touched it yet cuz I can't get the keyboard to fully work.
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Location: Los Angeles
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: Keystation Pro 88 (or other controller) as the Logic Control
I'm sure some of you already know how to do this. I just figured I'd write this up at some point to share with others. The basic idea is to use the Keystaion Pro 88 (or some other MIDI Controller) as an actual Control Surface, or in this case the Logic Control, to have more freedom with the MIDI Controller, i.e. using the group of 8 faders (on the Keystation) to control Volume for tracks 1-8 in the arrange window, and then hitting Bank Right to automatically control tracks 9-16, and as a result making a universal controller not bound by specific channel messages, or MIDI CC Volume messages etc... in short the essence of any Control Surface.
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I basically just wanted to avoid using a separate application all together. Keep in mind that the app does simplify the whole process, but Logic inherently can do pretty much everything the app does.
I recommend reading this in its entirety before attempting.
KeyStation Pro 88 as Logic Control
Part One: Add Logic Control as Control Surface
1. Open Logic.
2. Preferences / Control Surfaces / Setup...
3. New / Install / Select your preferred device (in my case Logic Control
4. Click the icon in the setup window for the Logic Control.
5. On the left hand side under "Logic Control" you should see an "Out Port:" and "Input:" ... select the desired MIDI in/out through which your device is connected.
6. Open Preferences / Control Surfaces / Controller Assignments. Make sure you select the "EXPERT VIEW" check box.
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8. Create your own Zone, KeyStation Pro 88 (or whatever) using the Plus sign in the bottom left corner of the Controller Assignments window.
9. Now basically go through the existing parameters already available in the Logic Control Zones, Select what you want. You can select entire Modes or individual Controls / Parameters. You can select multiple values (only multiple Control / Parameters NOT modes) by selecting and dragging or simply with select and holding command.
10. Command-C the selected Modes and then click back onto you user zone that you created above.
11. Click inside the Mode column (or Control / Parameter column depending upon what you selected and copied from the Logic Control zones).
12. Command-V to paste the Modes into your user Zone.
13. Do this for as many Modes / Controls you want, that your specific MIDI controller interface will be able to handle.
Part Two: Assigning Input Values
1. Open Preferences / Control Surfaces / Controller Assignments
2. Now for each parameter that you copied, you will need to set the input MIDI value from your controller.
3. Click on your User Zone, then Mode, then the first parameter in the 3rd column.
4. You should see a "MIDI Input" option (this should already be set correctly as long as you set it earlier in Step 5 of Part One). If it's not set to the correct MIDI input (which I found to be the case sometimes even after Step 5), then change that here.
5. Next to "Value Change:" you will see a box with MIDI data in it. Delete the existing date by highlight and delete.
6. Activate "Learn Mode" (bottom right corner of Controller Assignments window) then click within the "Value Change" box, then move the corresponding fader, button etc. The "Value Change" should now show the MIDI data value for that fader. Be careful here, there should only be 3 groups of 2 for data here... if you see 2 groups, of 3 groups, of 2 then typically the FIRST group of 3 should be the value you want here. You can always delete the data, and move the fader again to be sure. The reason for the 2 groups of 3 is not in error: some buttons send TWO MIDI values, one on press and one on release. You can use this to your advantage and assign TWO different functions to these buttons, thus the first (press hold) value can do one thing and the second (release) value can do another. You can also change the MIDI controller to only send 1 message on press and nothing on release, or simply make sure that only the on value is present in the "Value Change" box.
7. You'll have to do this for all the different knobs / faders etc. on your MIDI controller. There are many shortcuts of course. You can manually type in the Values if you know them. For the Keystation Pro, M-Audio has an app called Enigma that I recommend for changing controller parameters and much more on the Keystation. You can use this app to assign all the actual control data that each button or fader sends to the sequencer, once you know the values you can convert that data to the MIDI data values and enter them into the Value Change box.
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The file to backup is located here: ~Users/username/Library/Preferences/Logic/com.apple.logic.pro.cs
As a precaution I have always backed up my Logic Preference file WITH this .cs file. Technically it's not necessary... for instance: Let's say you trash your preferences and open Logic to find that the Logic Control is missing from the Control Surfaces Setup. So you add it back and now you find out that Logic is missing the User Zone that you created. If you close Logic and copy the .cs file back to the directory above, then upon reopening Logic you should find your User Zone is in place again. But I've had mixed results with that, so just in case I copy over the preference file with the .cs file as a pair. It seems that the Logic pref file only contains information that the Logic Control is a Control Surface on your system and the .cs file is the preferences for that specific Surface.
Another note: after a recent Logic update, maybe 7.2? ... it was whichever update added support for more Control Surfaces, I can't remember. This update basically erased all the hours of hard work linking the Keystation to Logic as the Logic Control. This only happened with this specific Control Surface update, but not with 7.2.3, probably simply because they didn't make any changes to the .cs pref file.
Anyhow, when this happens again in the future, there seems to be a quick fix. I take NO responsibility for you somehow crashing Logic on a continual basis after applying the fix. Personally I have seen NO issues by doing this at all. I simply copied a version of the .cs file with the new update missing the Keystation Zone, as well as a version of the .cs file WITH the Keystation Zone, to a PC (I think it was a PC, don't believe I tried it with textedit, although should work as well). I opened both of the files in notepad and compared them. I noticed the word Keystation towards the bottom and realized that most all the data (gibberish) was exactly the same up until a point in which the file with the Keystation data had a group that was absent from the new .cs pref file from the new update. So I basically copied the data from the old .cs pref file, pasted it into the new .cs pref file, saved it and open Logic. Logic warned me that a pref file was corrupt or something of that nature, but loaded fine anyway, and the Keystation Zone was back in Controller Assignments.
One last thing... the problem that some of you may run into is that by making your MIDI controller a Control Surface, or turning your Keystation Pro into a Logic Control, limits some of the functionality of the MIDI Controller. For instance, a Logic Control's main purpose is to control different faders, knobs and what not of MANY different tracks. When you move a fader for volume on the Logic control, it will move the fader corresponding to the selected track... it's not programed to say change the actual midi CC 7 for Volume, only the actual Fader. Thus, what if you want the MOD wheel to still control modulation and you want the sustatin pedal to continue to act as a sustain pedal. Well, if Logic sees that Port 1 is the input for the Logic Control, but in reality the Keystation, then it's only going to allow specific events through. The way around this issue is by using both the input options that the Keystation has... hook the MIDI out into Logic and use the USB port as well. I run the Keystation as a Logic Control through the USB port, and use the MIDI out for actual MIDI data. But the catch is you have to make sure you only connect the MIDI Port into Logic's sequencer in the environment. Thus open the environment, open Clicks & Ports, Port 1 and Port 2 are the IN/OUT for the USB port. Midi Port is the Keystation's MIDI port. Select and delete the cable for the SUM, and run individual cables for the ports you want to use. Thus, all your other MIDI interface Ports, the Caps Lock keyboard etc. Just be sure that if your using Port 1 (USB Port Out from Keystation) for the fake Logic Control, that it DOES NOT cable into the "Input View" or "to Recording & Thru". This creates yet another issue:
The controls on the Keystation have to send SOME form of MIDI control message / data to Logic. Well if the faders on the Keystation are preset to send Ch1-9, Volume 0-127 messages, then when you move a fader on the Keystation (as the Logic Control) since the Keystation is still reaching the sequencer from the MIDI port, you will be sending MIDI values that can effect your current track possibly when you don't want to. The work around for this is to be sure that all the faders / knobs that you want to use as your fake Logic Control are sending useless MIDI data... i.e. CC 75, 76, 77, and so on. This way moving faders won't effect playback, although you could still in theory record this MIDI data into your sequencer. You could however filter this events from entering the sequencer input with a transformer since you know precisely what MIDI CC values you are changing. The easy way to assign these values is to use the program Enigma from M-Audio that I mentioned above.
More discussion specifically related to the Keystation Pro 88:
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http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Oct04/articles/keystation.htm
[quote]
I had some trouble getting the transport controls to work with Emagic's Logic, even when I loaded the 'Pro 88 Logic Preset.LSO' file on the supplied CD-ROM into Logic. I contacted the guys who designed and set up the Keystation here in the UK at the old Evolution offices, and between us we managed to work out what was going wrong. First of all, you need to enter the appropriate MIDI key commands in Logic's user preferences. These cannot be updated with an LSO file, so the commands have to be entered using the Learn Key function in Logic (see the screenshot below for the list we used). Then we discovered that the transport keys were toggling, which meant that only each second press of each key was actually working. It turned out that I had an early version of the Logic preset before this had been fixed, but the more recent one has been put on the M Audio web site for anyone else that needs it. It took about 30 seconds to change the output commands so that the buttons were no longer toggling.[/quote]
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Can you download a FormsCentral response as a pdf without having non-selected skip logic rules saved/viewed?

Can you download a FormsCentral response as a pdf without having non-selected skip logic rules saved/viewed?

Hi,
Unfortunately, it is not possible to convert the response to pdf without the non-selected fields.
As a workaround, you can hide a particular column and then convert the response to pdf.
Regards,
Nakul

Same (global) view settings for all EXISTING playlists (iTunes 10.3)

I guess some folks like to individually configure the columns of each and every of their playlists. But I like uniformity ... How can I apply global settings to all of my MANY existing playlists, like, let's say, Coverflow plus a certain selection of non-default columns.

Maybe I should add that I do know global view settings are NOT a feature of iTunes 10.3. So it's not a matter of "where is the button I have to click".
I also know that Apple Scripts exist as workarounds, but unfortunately I'm using Windows XP.
Therefore, it's a question for the real experts amongst you, as some serious iTunes-tweaking is involved, either in Windows Registry, or in some hidden config-file.
The most important question, though, is: why on earth are global view settings not a natural part of iTunes since Day One.

Logic Control : displaying order of the track

Hello
When you are in the Environment window the track, instruments ... are displaying from there number ;
- track 1 to track x
- instrument 1 to instrument x
it does not respect how you have arrange your instrument, tracks ....
Is it possible :
- that the LC follow the order that the track, instruments are displayed
- to have a "global" view at the environment level
- to assign the key on the LC : "global view User" to display as above
Many thanks in advance for your help
Best
Cyril

But LC does not relate to the Environment audio mixer, it relates to the Track Mixer. If you want your audio mixer in the environment to relate to LC, you''ll have to arrange the objects to match the track mixer.
BTW an easy way to make sure the track order matches the order in your environment is, when you set up the song, select and drag all the audio objects in the environment into the tracklist. (drop them on Track 1)
Generally this is only a good idea at the start, before you have any regions in place in the arrange tracks, as, if you do it when you have content, the audio in the tracks will be assigned to different audio objects to what they were originally. (Although, you can get around this, by cutting all the track content then changing the order, as I described, then doing: 'paste at original position' and select 'keep Inst.' in the dialog which follows.)

BCF2000 - assigning within Logic Control Mode

I am using a Behringer BCF2000 with Logic 7 Pro on a G4 powerbook. My BCF2000 is working fine in Logic Control Mode (USB Mode U-3), what I would like to do is add a few of my own parameters, mainly logic's tape delay feedback (as I make dub) to one of the dials, for example.
Also I would love to be able to trigger a few sound effects (maybe an exs patch) using an assigned button, for those on-the-fly dub vibes.
I sussed the patch editing and storing in the normal factory mode, but in Logic control mode, I can't seem to create my own patches and store them. Is this possible? and if so, how can I "learn" the functions like tape delay feedback.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!
Ben (Brazil)

I sussed the patch editing and storing in the normal
factory mode, but in Logic control mode, I can't seem
to create my own patches and store them. Is this
possible? and if so, how can I "learn" the functions
like tape delay feedback.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!
Ben (Brazil)
I have not been able to program mine in LC emulation
though I have been able to program the other presets.
Something I have not tried yet is trying to program the
many parameters in the controller assignments window.
I have discovered that by having the BCF in LCmode
going to the Controller Assignments window and
selecting expert and follow then clicking on
the different modes and such that the BCF
responds to what you are choosing on the screen.
I have not had the time yet to confirm this but
I believe the BCF is already preprogrammed to
do many of these in LC emulation. For example when I choose
track on screen the BCF would change its display
to "tr" and so on. This is a big discovery for me since
I new that in LCemulation the Unit was capable of
accessing all or most of what a Mackie Logic Control
unit could. I could never figure out how to get to those
parameters. This is one way to figure it out I suppose.
Behringer suggests that you read the docs for the Mackie,
I have not found this to be too helpful yet. Hope this helps.

Logic Control & "Global View"

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