Mainstage as Multi-Timbral Instrument via IAC Driver

I'm trying to use Mainstage as a multi-timbral instrument driven by midi sent from Pro Tools via IAC. I was assuming I could assign different midi channels to each instrument channel in Mainstage; however, IAC doesn't appear in the multi-timbral input list dialogue. i.e., all instrument channels play no matter how I set the channels.
Anybody having success running multiple channel instruments in Mainstage with different keyboards or with different midi channels via IAC driver?
-deloise

Mike, any particular reason why you want to use MS simply as an AU host? It uses a heck of a lot of system overhead just to be used as a host.....you'd be far better off using something like Plogue Bidule for this as the resources used by Bidule are negligible compared to a resource-hungry behemoth like MS. Unless you're also going to use MS for the purposes for which it was intended, and/or use some of its other features, it'd be crazy just to use it as a host.
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What I've done:
1. start a Logic project, with one software instrument
2. insert Aria player, as multichannel, 16x mono.
3. open the Logic mixer and click the + button at the bottom of the channel several times to add aux tracks (they come up Aria Player 2, 3, 4 etc, routed to Stereo Out)
4 ctrl-click on each channel and select 'create/select Arrange track'
5 insert instruments into Aria slots, leaving them as default (Output 1/2 for all, midi channel 01, 02, 03 etc)
6 enter note data on piano roll for the instrument track and each aux track
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Any advantage to going multi-timbral? And where might I find instructions in the manual? I'm using Omnisphere and RMX, which both have their own mixers ... so I can't quite figure out how one would do multi-timbral with the ESX.
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How mute a Single Midi track instead of all when using multi-timbral instrument

I added a Multi-Timbral Instument, opens up 16 midi channels. When i want to mute/solo just one of those 16 midi tracks, all of them are muted/solo-ed. How to mute/solo them individually?

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First you create a multi timbral instrument - select how many tracks you want to use (this is my problem), then assign relevant outs within the instrument if necessary and create Aux tracks to be able to manage/edit the tracks individually in Logic instead of the soft instrument. Cool, I get that, that works.
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Hi
2 ways (or more) you could deal with this:
A) Create all the Multi-Timbral tracks you might need, and Hide all but the first channel. When you need more, un-hide those required.
B) When you create a 'normal' Instrument Channel, Logic normally assigns it to receive ALL MIDI channels. Using the Arrange:Track:New with Next MIDI Channel will create a 'dupicate' assigned to MIDI Ch 1, then 2 the next time you use the function
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The catch is that you MUST select the track assigned to the highest MIDI ch for that instrument, or you will have to manually adjust the channel of the new instance in the Track Prameters box in the Inspector.
HTH
CCT

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Hi, I'm a basic Logic Pro user who is used to recording and mixing between 4-8 tracks of drums, keyboards, guitars etc.
(I bought Logic 8 many years ago and use it for what I need but not much more.)
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I hear Logic X has its own orchestral library - anyone know how good it is?
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New video posted on IAC Driver configuration and use with Mainstage/Logic

Shows how to configure IAC Driver for use with Mainstage and Logic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPhtRCwz8vs

No problem, anytime...
Yes, that should work. I haven't specifically tried that but don't see why it wouldn't work so give it a go. When I was testing this IAC driver method, I did confirm that the IAC object existed in the environment in Logic and it did, so you should be good to go.
You're exactly right, both Logic and Mainstage should be active. You'll get a message saying another Rewire host is active when you open both, but just click ok and ignore it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgzBOJYSY64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZL0ucV8dpo
If I have time I'll try to test it as well, it's a good idea!
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Multi-timbral managing in MS

Hi,
I'm trying to find about how to control in independent way instruments within multitimbral instruments
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To make it simple, I have loaded 3 instruments inside 1 instance of Kontakt : Piano, Bass and Pad.I made a channel strip that I will call "main (Kontakt) channel strip" with mentioned Kontakt with 3 instruments within...
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It works, until now everything work perfect.
Now i need to have a patch with Piano and Pad in addition.So I need to create a patch with those 2 instruments.So here start my problem : how can I obtain a patch using Alias of my main Kontakt channel strip that ables me to play my instrument 1 and 3 at the same time (in this case piano and pad) and without playing the Bass who is also loaded in my Kontakt instrument. My goal is to have complete independent control of those three instruments, including volume and instrument name if possible.
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Hi
leaaco wrote:
how can I obtain a patch using Alias of my main Kontakt channel strip that ables me to play my instrument 1 and 3 at the same time (in this case piano and pad) and without playing the Bass who is also loaded in my Kontakt instrument.
You can do this (using Alias Channel Strips or otherwise) by setting the Strip up with Multi-Timbral MIDI Input:
This one has 3 channels setup for Kontakt
This one, has only two channels set up:
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a) Kontakt multi-outputs for each part
b) Kontakt Host Automation Parameters for each part
c) Kontakt MIDI Learn for each part
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Hello there. I bought Battery 2 and haven't had problems using it a a stereo instrument, but I am having problems doing the multi-channel applications. This also includes Ultrabeat.
I have heard of Battery 2 being buggy and such for Logic, but maybe I am the one who is buggy. What is the process of setting up a Multi-Channel instance? This is what I have done so far.
I have an environment with 32 Aux channels, 32 Busses, 75 Audio, 50 Instruments, and the appropriate Outs and Input Monitoring. I understand then that I choose Ultrabeat as my Multi-Channel instrument, then assign the aux channels' inputs as Battery 2 Output 3, 4, 5, and so forth. How do I get audio coming out of the Aux channels? Or do I notate the notes in the aux channels, or do I notate the notes in the multi-channel? I am lost here and what to do.
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METHOD #1
Create a duplicate track for those instruments which you're keyswitching. Let's just focus on one instrument for now, flute. Create a duplicate track assigned to your flute instrument ("new track with same instrument/channel"). Next, copy all of the regions from the original track onto this track and merge (glue) them to create one contiguous track. Of course if you have only one region for the part, just copy the region over to the new track.
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In the score editor, open the staff style for the part. Set the highest note/lowest note range to (visually) filter out the keyswitch notes. This may seem like the easiest way to do things, but it will require you to have a distinct staff style applied to each part. For example, if you're using the Treble staff style for multiple parts (picc, flute, bass clarinet) and their key switches are in different ranges of the keyboard (as is the case with some libraries), you will need to create duplicates of "Treble", name them accordingly (picc, flute, b.clarinet), assign them to the various regions playing those parts, and then set their highest/lowest note values accordingly.

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If any of you are experienced with the AIC driver found in the "Audio MIDI Setup" utility. It seems that it will only give me one single MIDI channel.
I tried sending MIDI over channel 2 and it was remapped to channel 1.
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I cannot figure a way (or find it in the manual) on how to set up the EXS for multi-timbral operation. I see how to set it up for multi-outputs (for drum sounds apparently).
Have I missed some really basic thing about it, or is it a single-patch-at-a-time sampler?
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The EXS24 is not a multitimbral instrument, it's a
highly-efficient, mono-timbral instrument.
Load your Piano in an EXS24 on audio instrument
one,
your bass in a second EXS24 on audio instrument 2,
and so on. It uses the same resources as a
multitimbral version would, with the benefits of
individual mixer channels, invidiaul freeazing and
so
on, which you cannot do with multitimbral
instruments.
Ouch! This is of course correct.
Note to myself: Do not answer questions before the
coffee has kicked in.
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The above are good points. This is why I think there must be
more audio instruments in Logic Pro, 128 is not nearly enough.
Any way, I would say that the EXS24 is sort-of multi-timbral.
Here are two recent posts which touch upon this issue.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=793460&tstart=0
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=792146&tstart=0
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In PT this is very easy to do, since the outputs of any multi channel instrument can be set as inputs on any Audio Channel, you then simply hit arm and record, job done.
However in Logic the only way I have so far found to do this is to send the outputs to AUX channels, then set the output of each AUX to a BUS, then set those BUS's as inputs on the AUDIO channels for recording. Now Logic automatically creates a BUS for each AUX channel, so unless you go into the environment and create the channels, for each output from the multi instrument, you get 2 x AUX, 2 x BUS and 1 x AUDIO and you end up with a massive mix window!
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Hi
2 ways (or more) you could deal with this:
A) Create all the Multi-Timbral tracks you might need, and Hide all but the first channel. When you need more, un-hide those required.
B) When you create a 'normal' Instrument Channel, Logic normally assigns it to receive ALL MIDI channels. Using the Arrange:Track:New with Next MIDI Channel will create a 'dupicate' assigned to MIDI Ch 1, then 2 the next time you use the function
For 'correct' multi-timbral operation, you do not want the "ALL" channel.
The simplest way to deal with this (if I have understood your needs), is to create the first "instance" using the New Tracks:Multi-Timbral, but with only 1 Multi T part. This creates a strip with the MIDI Input already set to Ch 1.
To create new "sub-tracks', select the 1st one, and use the Track:Create with Next MIDI Channel function.
The catch is that you MUST select the track assigned to the highest MIDI ch for that instrument, or you will have to manually adjust the channel of the new instance in the Track Prameters box in the Inspector.
HTH
CCT

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