Manipulating allowed VLAN list on trunks

I am in the process of restricting some of my VLANs so that they can be accessed only on the switches that actually need them. I have a VTP domain, so I am doing it by manipulating the "allowed" lists on the trunks. I have a mixed environment of IOS 4500, CatOS 4000, CatOS 5500, and IOS 29xx.
So, I have a number of questions and observations:
1. There are some special default VLANs, 1002-1005, which are designated fddi-default, token-ring-default etc. In an Ethernet-only environment, is there any harm if I clear these from all the trunks?
2. I do not use the extended VLAN range 1025-4095. Is there any harm if I clear these from all trunks?
3. Just out of academic interest, what ever happened to VLANs 1006 to 1024? They do not appear in any of the default "allowed" lists. Are they reserved for something?
4. Suppose my native VLAN for my trunks is not 1, let us say 99. And my management is on yet another VLAN, say 98. What happens if I try and clear the native VLAN 99 from the trunks? (Yes, I know I should try this in a lab, but does anyone know the answer to save me the effort of setting it up?)
5. Suppose I have a VLAN, say 50, that is only needed in two switches, so I clear it from all trunks except the one between those two switches. But all the switches know about it cos it is in the VTP list. I notice that in the IOS switches, the PVST+ instance for that VLAN get shut down. In the CatOS switches, the STP seems to continue to run, but the root bridge is designated as 00-00-00-00-00-00. Are these two behaviors consistent, i.e. what is actually going on in the CatOS case? (AAMOF, in the IOS switches, it is enough that none of the ports has an "up" presence in the VLAN, and the PVST+ instance shuts down, even if there are "down" ports configured to use it.
6. Is there any way to set a global default "allowed" list in a switch, so that any new trunks only allow those VLANs, regardless of what is in the VTP list? (That is, apart from setting it to "transparent", which have other unwanted side effects such as not being aware of the creation of new VLANs.)
That's a lot of questions. The new edition of the Clarke/Hamilton book is well overdue!
Kevin Dorrell
Luxembourg

Glen,
Thanks for the responses.
1. I shall clear them out immediately.
2. I shall clear them out immediately.
3. It's a mystery. Anyone?
4. It was 99 because that VLAN was created specifically to accommodate the trunks. Unfortunately, in that particular network, VLAN 1 was still in use as an access VLAN. It is recommended not to have any access ports on the VLAN that is used as the native on the trunks, to prevent VLAN-hopping. Most NetAdmins do this by putting all the access ports anywhere but VLAN 1, and keeping VLAN 1 for trunk natives and/or management. This network did it the other way round, by shifting the native of the trunks off onto an unused VLAN. But I don't know what would happen if I cleared the native VLAN off the trunk.
5. I think here we need to distinguish between VTP and STP, and between allowed lists and pruning. I am not pruning here, I am actually clearing the VLANs from the trunks. In the case of pruning, the VTP declines to send the broadcasts down the trunk if they are not useful at the access layer switch, but the Spanning Tree topology is not affected. In the case of clearing, the Spanning Tree topology of the VLAN is actually modified, as if the trunk did not exist for that VLAN. OTOH, the VTP VLAN list is propagated to all switches, regardless of whether they have any presence on each VLAN. So according to the VTP server and all clients, there is a load of VLANs active in the domain. But if you have an allowed list on all the trunks, it could well be that the access switch knows about a VLAN, but does not have any presence on it. That is when the IOS shuts down the PVST+ STP for that VLAN, and a CatOS switch registers the root bridge as 00-00-00-00-00-00. As opposed to the case where the VTP domain does not have a VLAN in its database, so the CatOS has no STP instance for it.
6. Anyone else?
Thanks for the responses.
Kevin Dorrell
Luxembourg

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    Revision: 20651
    Revision: 20651
    Author:   [email protected]
    Date:     2011-03-07 12:21:11 -0800 (Mon, 07 Mar 2011)
    Log Message:
    Some MBean tests needed flex.management.jmx stuff in the allow classes list for the class deserialization validator so adding it in on BlazeDS 4.0.0_fixes.
    Modified Paths:
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