MIRO Problem - 2nd Stage Dealer !!

HI
Our client buys lots of raw material from 1st stage & 2nd stage dealers. They pass on Excise credit to our client.
This amount of excise credit is not known at the time of creating a PO. So the PO has only VAT condition calculated by the tax code (TAXINJ).
( Vendor gives excise invoice during delivery)
During GR they just capture the excise amount and tick the MRP indicator as well.
Then excise amount is posted with J1IEX .
.... Now the problem is tht during MIRO when we see simulation the excise amount is not posted to excise account but goes to price variances and stock acnt(inventory)
.. This creates a problem in accnting .. a big headache for accnts people......
... Guys tell me if the process is right or wrong and tell me if any other solution possible
Thank You

Hi,
this is a common scenario in all purchase of exciseable goods in India. It is called commerically as E2 purchase.
at the time creation of PO the excise part is not known. the dealer passes you the excise from the manufacturer. at the time of goods receipt only you come to know about the excise details.
steps are:
1) create the PO with the dealer price and give Tax code as V0(Zero tax). if other conditions like discount, freight etc are there, give the value.
2) DO J1IEX, tick the MRP indicator, in the miscellanous TAB you will find vendor field also. this field is used to capture the vendor number from whom the excise invoice has come.
give the values of excise duties in the exciseTAB what is mentioned in your vendor excise invocie.
this way the system will correct your basic price.( as dealer price includes the excise duty)
3) at the time of MIRO, the system will default the value as mentioned in the PO.
here you have to change the value and give the correct tax code.
you will get the right posting.
This is the way SAP document says on dealer purchase.
I understand your headache.
You drop me your mailid at [email protected]
I will see you get this document today, I have to search or
give me a day or two I will send you the SAP document on dealer purchase.
Regards
Rajesh

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Excise Problem - 2nd Stage Dealer !!

Hi,
Our client buys material directly from factories or from vendors.
Case1.) when they buy from factory then excise calculation has no problem.
Case2.) when they buy from 1st stage dealer or 2nd stage dealer then excise calculation has a problem. the dealer increases the price of item after adjusting his profits and passes on the original excise to our client. when making a PO excise gets calculated on the 2nd stage dealer price ... but it shud not happen tht way... it shud be the same as passed on from the factory to the 1st stage dealer and then to 2nd stage dealer. though we have maintained "manual excise" condition in pricing procedure still there is a mismatch during MIRO.
Any suggestions ???
TAXINJ Procedure is being followed

In Migo 105 u can capture&/ Post excise invoice.
Use manual excise cond. in pricing
or
in j1iex use mrp tick
in Delear case u will have to maintain all the details as per raw material case
only diffence is in the % of bed ecess and secess put 0 instade of 16 2 and 1
at the time of po u know that u vendor will give u material at say 100 Rs increse of excise which u dont now and 4 % vat on it
So u r po will loke like 100 basic
bed 0
ecess0
scess 0
vat 4
total 104
now whe u do GR
u come to know u have 8 bed 1.6 ecess 0.8 sccess
at the time of gr in Excise tab value
put the excise base as 100-8-1.6-0.8 = 89.6
and in bed 8
ecess 1.6
secess0.8
and in header tab of excise in miscellaneous tab tick MRP indicator
save ur part one and 2 posted
then do the miro
on item line it will show 100 as amount change it to 89.6
click on calculate tax
and ur excate payment of rs 104 will be done to vendor
this the the correct process of Delear case
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I am processing couple of bills (MIRO) for 1st stage dealer. We have created a PO with tax code V2(EDECSShesc+VAT). One of the example:
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JEC1 - 2%
JEX1 - 100%
JSEP - 1%
JHX1 - 100%
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JVR1 - 100%- Same as above
MIGO Postings(Along with MRP Controller Check Box):
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BED - 2,355.00
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Facing problem during MIRO:
Enterig base value as: 21,362.40; Further after clicking on calculate
Tax button. Simulated values are correc for base value,ED,ECS & Shecs.
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Hi,
I am processing couple of bills (MIRO) for 1st stage dealer. We have created a PO with tax code V2(EDECSShesc+VAT). One of the example:
Base Amount- 23,788.89 (Price inclusive of Duties)
JMOP - 0
JMX1 - 100%
JEC1 - 2%
JEX1 - 100%
JSEP - 1%
JHX1 - 100%
JVRD - 4% - 951.56
JVR1 - 100%- Same as above
MIGO Postings(Along with MRP Controller Check Box):
Base Value - 21,362.40
BED - 2,355.00
ECS - 47
SECess - 24
Part-2 Also posted correctly as per above values in part-1.
Facing problem during MIRO:
Enterig base value as: 21,362.40; Further after clicking on calculate
Tax button. Simulated values are correc for base value,ED,ECS & Shecs.
But VAT proposed value is 854.49 (its 4% of 21362.40) vis-a-vis 951.56.
J1ID is maintained properly.
Need your help in resolving the same.
Regards

Excise Tax Codes (Purchase/sales for 2nd stage dealers in trading company

Hi,
I have come across the similar problem mentioned below (the post is from SDN itself from Mr. Sandeep)
what i understand is
2. when you purchase a material from dealer
Manufacturer to dealer item cost 100 + 20 Excise
Dealer to you client 120+20 Excise
Client to clients customer 130 +20 Excise
your problem is to maintain 20 constant
if it is so, create another Tax code in the formula instead of using 'base price' use 'assessable value'
'assessable value' is what you mention in Item Masterdata right bottom. put 'assessable value = 20'
Regards
Sandeep
I need some more clarification on the above issue. Also want to know the concept for 1st & 2nd stage dealer and how the SAP deals with it.
Regards,
PK

Thanks Jeeva for the reply, but I could not got your point.
My question is how to maintain the Tax code / Assessable Value so that we can keep the Excise Amount to be paid to our Dealer constant.
Let me repeat my question:
Vendor A = Manufacturer
Vendor B = Dealer
Vendor C = Our Company
B is purchasing 10 Qty @ Rs. 10 from A and B is paying Excise duty @10.3%
Qty 10
Price 10
Amount 100
Excise 10.3
Here the Excise Amout paid to A by B is Rs. 10.3
Now C is purchasing 10 Qty @ Rs. 12 from B, but C is paying Excise duty that was paid by B only to A i.e. Rs. 10.3
As per the normal scenarios, the Excise duty that C is supposed to pay would be calculated on Rs. 12.36 as below:
Qty 10
Price 12
Amount 120
Excise 12.36
But C needs to pay only Rs. 10.3 to B.
As per my client, if we C buys 4 Qty from B, in that case C need to pay the Excise amount as per the below:
Qty : 10 (Purchased By B)
Price : 10 (Purchased By B)
Amount : 100
Excise @10.3% : 10.3 ; (Purchased By B)
Total Qty : 10 (Purchased By B)
Total Excise Paid On 10 Qty By B : 10.3
Total Excise Paid On 1 Qty By B : 1.03
Qty Purchased By Us : 4 (Purchased By C)
Total Excise to be Paid On 4 Qty by C : 4.12 (Purchased By B) -
Here C is purchasing @Rs 12, still this price is not used for excise calculation.
Hope my question is clear.
Please guide,
Thanks.

Purchase/sales for 2nd stage dealers in trading company

Hi all
My client owns a trading company. There are two types of purchases 1st stage and 2nd stage.
1. In 1st stage client purchases from manufacturer with excise which he passes to its customer later on during sale. For this i have managed item by batches and configured excise tax codes. And during sale i despatch the same batch no item which i had purchase before and so pass excise to customer.In Sales invoice report i show the excise purchased from manufacturer at below on the basis of which i am passing to customer.
2. Now the problem is in 2nd stage in which the purchase is not from manufacturer but it is from dealer. The delear purchases from manufacturer and my client purchases from dealer.
The dealer is itself like my client who is passing excise to my client. My client has to pass excise to its end customer but the excise passed will be the excise which manufacturer has charged.
How to handle purchase and sales for second stage in SAP B1?
Any soln for this??
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Hi
what i undertsand is
2. when you purchase a material from delear
Manufacturer to delear temcost 100 + 20 Excise
Dealer to you client 120+20 Excise
Client to clients customer 130 +20 Excise
your problem is to maintain 20 constant
if it is so, create another Tax code in the formula instead of using 'base price' use 'assesable value'
'assesable value' is what you mention in Item Masterdata right bottom. put 'assesable value = 20'
Regards
Sandeep

First Stage Dealer Excise Invoice

Hi,
We get an Excsie Invoice (First Stage Dealer Invoice *** Challan) from a Vendor as per the below detail:
Qty:                480
Rate:               114
Net Value:               54720
Assessable Value for Excise:      72480
Excise 10%:               7248 (Recoverable)
ECess 2%:               144 (Recoverable)
SHECess 1%:          72 (Recoverable)
Value for VAT Calculation:           62184
VAT 5%:               3109 (Recoverable)
Total Invoice Value:          65293
I have tried to map the scenario with SAP Note 1104456 - Use of MRP indicator for capturing excise duties from dealer but could not succeed.
I am not able to decide on following:
a. the Net Price in the Purchase Order,
b. Amount (Base Value, Excise Duty) which needs to be the entered manually at the time capturing Excise Invoice at the Goods Receipt (T Code: MIGO) with MRP Indicator.
c. the invoice amount at the time of invoicing.
Request you to please help us in the above scenario.
Also request you to tell me the FI Entries with Amount at all the stages.
Regards,
PK

Hi,
For the excise value you have to run the transaction code J1IEX(selection Capture:left corner in the screen) to capture.The system will take the base value and quantity from the Purchase order as u are going to capture the Excise amount with Reference to Purchase order by default. If quantity and Base value as well as the BED ,Cess, Ecess you have to change manually if reuired.Then save it......Go for GR....the system will ask the Excise invoice ref no. and date of Excise Capture.(in selection you take referral....option will be there).put the vendor Excise number and date which was given at the time of capture.system will take the capturing excise amount automatically.Check all the excise amounts in Excise Item.Post the GR.Again go J1iex transaction code select Post option(left corner)..put either vendor inv. no. or internally generated Excise no. and post it.
now for Vat amount the tax code will calculate in the P.O it self ...check that one .....the same amount will come at the time of MIRO.
and also the excise amount will come as per it is captured and posted when you trick on the check box (calculate tax)
With Regards,
Sudipto

!st Stage Dealer

Hi Friends,
Can anybody explain how to do the procurement through 1st stage deale withCST and with VAT?( we don't know the base value of passon duty of 14.42 atthe time of PO).Please reply

Hi,
1. Create purchase order and enter net price (inclusive of base value and excise duties)
2. Excise duties not computed. (Excise duties = 0)
3. Capture of excise invoice
A) Capturing excise invoice together with goods receipt through transaction MIGO
- MRP indicator found in the Miscellaneous TAB popped up when you click on u201CMore datau201D button on Excise invoice tab at the header level in MIGO
The excise base value is defaulted as the PO price and the excise duties are zero. The excise base is changed such that the sum of the excise base value and the excise duties remain the same as the PO price. The excise base is reduced by the excise duty value and the differential amount is split amongst the relevant excise duty components.
Hence the material valuation also takes place correctly with the changed amount put as the excise base value. Otherwise this would incorrectly get inflated by the excise duty value also.
B) Capture excise invoice through transaction J1IEX
- MRP indicator found on the Miscellaneous tab in J1IEX
The excise base value is defaulted as the PO price and the excise duties are zero. The excise base is changed such that the sum of the excise base value and the excise duties remain the same as the PO price. The excise base is reduced by the excise duty value and the differential amount is split amongst the relevant excise duty components.
4. Invoice verification process through MIRO
Change the base value from PO Value to Assessable Value as per Vendor Invoice same as the base value of EI.

Second stage dealer process

Dear All,
Kindly provide me the detail process of second stage dealer with scenario including configuration required.
Thanks
Sandeep.
Note : Subject is FAQ & widely discussed in forum,
I request you to search forum before posting,Kindly close this thread.
Edited by: Jeyakanthan A on Dec 9, 2011 11:54 PM

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If you are using taxinn then in Fv11 you have to maintain excise conditions( BED,ECESS and HECESS) =zero instead of 16 , 2 and 1% and setoff conditions =100% and VAT conditions as per actual percentage for example 4% or 12%
In purchase order
Say Your Price is 100
BED=0
ECESS=0
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VAT 4%
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Now at the time of GR you will come to know the actual % is different .and total base value is 80/-
Put the excise base as mentioned in excise gate pass(80/-e.g)
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also post part 2
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I am doing second stage dealer process.
As per my knowledge in the purchase order the Excise duties should come with zero value but in my case it is calculating automatically.
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cu rod         1733       256.77          8                          19.2                   33273.60                     444991
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Hi Everybody ...
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