Motion and Vector Space Question
I have an x-axis stage and a y-axis stage with 2 different leadscrew pitches, i.e.: one table has a 5 turns per inch leadscrew and the other has a 50 turn per inch leadscrew. Consequently, the stepper motors attached have to operate at different speeds (10x difference) in order for the tables to have the same velocity. I have this accounted for in the axis configuration settings in the NI MAX explorer. When I am configuring automated moves in LabView and set up a "vector space" composed of the two axis, it seems that the motors operate at the same speed and ignore the MAX settings. I thought that after intializing the controller, the current axis settings would be carried over and applied through the vector space and to the actual move
(a 2D move made in Motion Assistant). Am I missing something? Do I need to load the velocity for each axis with a flexmotion VI somewhere in the code? I'd like to command the motrs to move at 2 different speeds so the tables move at the same velocities. Any comments would be appreciated. An abbreviated sample of some of the code is attached. Thanks. ROB
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Rob,
you should be able to adjust the pitch of the leadscrews by setting the stepper steps per revolution and/or the encoder steps per revolution settings in MAX accordingly (in your configuration these settings should differ by the factor of 10 for your two axes)
In your application you then have to use the Load Velocity in RPM.flx and the Load Accel/Decel in RPS/sec.flx in order to get the same resulting velocities on both axes. If you do it like this you still have to account the factor of 10 for your target position calculations.
I couldn't find out if you have proceeded like that in your application as the vi you have attached is missing a crucial subvi.
If you are using a four axes board like the PCI-7344 or the PCI-7334 there is another option:
You
could use a third axis that acts as a master for one of your axes (I would prefer the axis with the 5 inch per leadscrew). Your real axis has to be configured to follow the master axis by a factor of 1/10. In your application you configure a vector space for the master axis and the axis that is not configured as slave. Your physical signal connections need to be done to this axis and the slave axis.
Please examine the LabVIEW gearing examples for more information.
In this case you should enter the same values for stepper steps per revolution and/or the encoder steps per revolution in MAX for both axes as the pitch adjustment is done by the gearing.
The advantage of this method is that now you can set the same velocities, accelerations and even target positions for both axes and you never again have to account the pitch factor.
Best regards,
Jochen Klier
Applications Engineering Group Leader
National Instruments Germany GmbH
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Launcher Type: SUN_STANDARD
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vm_info: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.6.0_02-b06) for windows-x86, built on Jul 12 2007 01:16:14 by "java_re" with unknown MS VC++:1310Okay, after some searching in the forums I found an option to do more checking of jni and now have some additional information. Seems according to the new trace capability there is a bad global or local ref passed to a jni call. Thing is what does that mean? I pass a reference to the canvas from the canvas class that calls it so how could that be considered bad?
Thanks for any hints,
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The new additional trace is:
WARNING in native method: JNI call made with exception pending
at org.videolan.jvlc.Video._reparent(Native Method)
at org.videolan.jvlc.Video.reparent(Video.java:73)
at org.videolan.jvlc.JVLCCanvas.reparent(JVLCCanvas.java:59)
at org.videolan.jvlc.JVLCCanvas.addNotify(JVLCCanvas.java:200)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at javax.swing.JComponent.addNotify(JComponent.java:4683)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at javax.swing.JComponent.addNotify(JComponent.java:4683)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at java.awt.Panel.addNotify(Panel.java:71)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at javax.swing.JComponent.addNotify(JComponent.java:4683)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at javax.swing.JComponent.addNotify(JComponent.java:4683)
at javax.swing.JRootPane.addNotify(JRootPane.java:735)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at java.awt.Panel.addNotify(Panel.java:71)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at javax.swing.JComponent.addNotify(JComponent.java:4683)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at javax.swing.JComponent.addNotify(JComponent.java:4683)
at java.awt.Container.addImpl(Container.java:1062)
- locked <0x1a995530> (a java.awt.Component$AWTTreeLock)
at javax.swing.JLayeredPane.addImpl(JLayeredPane.java:209)
at javax.swing.JDesktopPane.addImpl(JDesktopPane.java:470)
at java.awt.Container.add(Container.java:352)
at VLCExampleX$1.run(VLCExampleX.java:142)
at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:209)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:597)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:273)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:183)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(EventDispatchThread.java:173)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:168)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:160)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(EventDispatchThread.java:121)
FATAL ERROR in native method: Bad global or local ref passed to JNI
at org.videolan.jvlc.Video._reparent(Native Method)
at org.videolan.jvlc.Video.reparent(Video.java:73)
at org.videolan.jvlc.JVLCCanvas.reparent(JVLCCanvas.java:59)
at org.videolan.jvlc.JVLCCanvas.addNotify(JVLCCanvas.java:200)
at java.awt.Container.addNotify(Container.java:2592)
Edited by: adanecito on Oct 20, 2007 11:32 AM -
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This is what I do:
Grab an application window (any app) -> move the window to a new location -> dur out for a second while you consider life and all its infinite possibility, while still holding the left mouse button down -> spaces jumps from the space your in to space 1Yes thats the preference, but now I don't get that functionality. Does your set up do what I described if you toggle that option? This perhaps is a bug. It is strange because if I do it with an app that is set up to open only in one space (say photoshop in space 4), it will switch spaces (usually to 1) and I have to diddle the space selector for that app in system prefs to get the app back into it's proper space.
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HSB Color Space Question - How Many Colors Are There In Photoshop
Hello guys, I have a sort of basic question that I have been trying to figure out for a few days.
I am trying to find out how many colors there are in the Color Picker when the Hue radio button is selected.
I know there are 256^3 RGB (#Hex) colors, and I am trying to find some relationship when I am coloring with HSB color space in Photoshop.
It just confuses me because the Hue slider goes from 0-359 and the S and B goes from 0-99...
So how many HSB colors in Photoshop are there? Am I missing out on some colors by using HSB color space in Photoshop as oposed to using RGB?
Are there the exact same amount? Are there more and there are duplicates in HSB space mode?
Thank you all for all your help, much appreciated
Travismisterfowly wrote:
I know there are 256^3 RGB (#Hex) colors, and I am trying to find some relationship when I am coloring with HSB color space in Photoshop.
It just confuses me because the Hue slider goes from 0-359 and the S and B goes from 0-99...
So how many HSB colors in Photoshop are there? Am I missing out on some colors by using HSB color space in Photoshop as oposed to using RGB?
The deficiency of such mathematical models is that they do not take into account noise and human perception. In an 24 bit RGB space (8 bits per channel) there may be 16 million colors, but this assumes that there are 256 discrete levels in each color channel. You could increase the number of colors by using a 48 bit space. In practice, noise will reduce the number of discrete levels, and this will vary with the camera and ISO used in that camera. For example, consider the Nikon D5000 as evaluated by DXO. At base ISO the camera can resolve only 21.8 bits of color information and this decreases to 15.6 bits at an effective ISO of 2079 (camera ISO setting of 3200).
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Nikon/D5000
Then you have to consider how many of these colors can actually be differentiated by the human visual system. If you can't see a difference, it really doesn't matter.These differences are difficult to quantitate. One such effort uses MacAdam ellipses shown in this Wikipedia article on a CIE 1931 xy plot. How many of these ellipses are contained in the CIE xy space? The DXO site has similar ellipses for real world camera images.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacAdam_ellipse
See this RIT FAQ for a more sober real world analysis. The actual number of colors is in the millions, but likely not 16 million.
http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/outreach/faq.php?catnum=1#219
In a real world situation, I would not be overly concerned about differences between the RGB and HSB spaces, but one could increase precision by using a 48 bit space. -
Workflow Qs: Using LT, Motion and FCP!
Hi, getting all jumbled up on workflow. I am inserting motion projects direct on the timeline, but I want livetype titling in this project as well - the titles are part of the motion animation. I don't see where i can save a livetype style I have set up there to just use in Motion, nor a sendto click. What do I have to do to make the composite? Thanks!
Bonus Question:
I also need to creat this effect:
http://www.livetypecentral.com/cgi-bin/livetypecentral.cgi/scan/MM=463acda593e91 b3da84375f256e196d2:10:15:10?mvsession_id=cxr46APv&mv_pc=31&mv_more_ip=1&mvnextpage=tutorials
Creating a Chalkboard Effect
How to create a Chalkboard effect with text that writes on the board and is then removed with an eraser! Click the image to watch this tutorial.
BUT, we can't afford 99$ nor do we have credit cards in Nepal to order. Can anyone tell me if this is possible to recreate by hand just using Motion and LiveType? Thanks,
Coocoocoocooforcocoapuffs wrote:
I want livetype titling in this project as well - the titles are part of the motion animation. I don't see where i can save a livetype style I have set up there to just use in Motion, nor a sendto click. What do I have to do to make the composite? Thanks!
Import the LiveType project file as you would import it into FCP. However, my advice is to render the LT movie and bring the movie into the Motion project. You will save tons of processing and be able to edit your Motion project much faster. Try not to get hung up on precision with the LT stuff. In fact, I'd use proxies for the LT files with the simplest settings and minimum effects until you are much further along.
Most of LiveType's effects can be easily emulated within Motion.
coocooforcocoapuffs wrote:
Bonus Question:
I also need to creat this effect:
How to create a Chalkboard effect with text
BUT, we can't afford 99$ nor do we have credit cards in Nepal to order. Can anyone tell me if this is possible to recreate by hand just using Motion and LiveType? Thanks,
Coocoo
The economics of effects are usually grossly misunderstood by cheapskates. The effort you will expend in faking this effect will cost you far more than simply buying it. Credit cards are not the issue, you can make this purchase in many ways, use your imagination.
Find a bold typeface that you like. Apply any noise filter to a matte as a still image to create an alpha mask that will give some chalkboard texture to the text by removing some of the pixels. The same noise matte can be offset slightly and blended using ADD to give you some bright chalk highlights. You create the eraser effect using the paint function in Motion or buy using a grayscale and a procedural or gradient wipe. There is an eraser object in the Content of Motion. Animating the onscreen movement of the eraser and the eraser matte is challenging but a fun exercise in learning Motion's advanced functions. A chalkboard is a dangerously primitive anachronism. Be sure the metaphor is appropriate to your communication goal and not just some silly effect your creative manager insists on using.
bogiesan -
1. I've purchased two one on one training cards in the Fresno Apple Store.
2. For the past week and a half I've tried to schedule a personal or group in Aperture, Imovie, motion and the schedule shows to future times.
3. What is going on that I cannot receive training in any of this popular topics. WHAT'S GOING ON?Hi,
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