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Because the CPU can't do it at full speed.
Better run with the 2x1GB sticks only, less trouble.

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MOVED: K8N Diamond Plus Motherboard overclocking problem.

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Quote from: TimeReaper on 15-February-06, 09:15:17
I know this board can reach 300+ by reviews by Tom's Hardware. But I was wondering how I could get my FSB up there? I can't seem to get past the hurtle at 270. Anything above this will make the system fail to start up and I have to clear the BIOS again.
I lowered the HT to the equivalent of 3X, and CPU Multiplier to 8X using a venice core 3500+. I even tried adding voltage to the HT. I'm wondering if I'm missing something in this equation that stops me from getting 300+ FSB? The overclockable items are too many and unexplained.
If someone could spread some light on what else needs to be done, please tell me.
My system is as follows.
MSI K8N Diamond Plus
AMD64 3500+ Venice
OCZ DDR600 Platinum Elite
520 OCZ Powerstream
2x Samsung 200G@Raid 0
Zalman CNPS 9500 LED
Sapphire GTO2
Hi dude,
I have the similar problem as well. Sounds like you are in the bad shape, but yeah, try to loose your RAM settings. First, all settings auto seem to be good, but it's actually not the case. You have to set TRC and TRFC as higher than 12 and 14. I am seeting those to be 14, 18, and it seems to be working great. It will be better to set the burst length as 4 beats. I don't like this board coz I can't set the drive length to be weak instead of normal detected by the Windows. My system can post, but I got problems of playing 3D demos and games, which looks like it's the problem of motherboard. Not mature enough.
My rig:
AMD Athlon64 3700+ @ 2.7GHz
OCZ Platinum Elite DDR600 2.5-4-4-10 Dual Channel
Leadtek PX6800GT @ 425/1200 at 2nd PCIe slot
2 x WD 120GB 7200RPM + Samsung 160GB HD

K8N Diamond Plus memory issue

Hi all,
Just replaced my ASUS A8N32-SLi Deluxe with the above board (what an excellent choice, glad to be back on MSI!).
Anyway - my problem is this:
When inserting two x 1GB double-sided PC3200 modules, the BIOS auto detects the memory as DDR333 rather than the DDR400 it should be. Removing one stick immediately fixes the problem, and shows up as DDR400.
The memory is Micron - MT16VDDT12864AY
Now I noticed that these sticks are on the compatibility list, but with one slight problem - the ones listed show the last 4 digits differently, but how different can they be?
Any suggestions would be most welcome, I need my extra GB of memory back!
Rgds,
czrsiNk

Quote from: Stick on 09-February-06, 16:48:02
once again, it is not a mobo issue since the memory controller is on the CPU. What kind of CPU are you using? Did you place your memory in slots 1&2 (green and purple)? what are the memory timings and voltages that you are using in BIOS?
Hello Stick, My new PC with a diamond plus mobo should arrive tomorrow (see signature for rest of bits). Over the last few weeks I've read most of what has been written here on this mobo. You have on a number of occasins commented that the memory problem, if it is a problem, is CPU related which must be true in the strictest sense but surely the mobo configuration and control systems must also play a part? If this were not the cae then would not other forums be commenting on similar memory problems with AMD 64 CPUs? If that is correct then the solution lies with MSI.
By the way, I make these comments to you because you appear to have consierable experience with MSI boards and I hope will shed more light on the issue rather than confuse.
Talking of confusion, I tried to banish that from my mind by downloading the PDF manual for the diamond plus. Its states that double-sided memory will only run in dual channel mode if 2 separate DImm channels are used (assuming you only have 2 sticks). Channel A is on Dimm1 and 3, Channel B is on Dimm2 and 4 - therefore, and the manual makes this clear, if you have two sticks the choice is to put the sticks in DIMM1 and 2, or, DIMM3 and 4. There are no other choices! Putting sticks in DIMM1 and 3 will not enable dual-channel and the result is DDR333.
But, the manual might be wrong, I might not understand it correctly - both?
Bottom line - I'm confused and doubtful about exactly where the sticks should go. I think I have it right above.
Dear Stick, please jot down a few lines indicating what you believe the correct solution is for two sticks of double-sided memory running dual-channel at DDR400.
Thanks very much, Tanimbar

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Quote from: s_quire on 28-January-07, 03:55:27
thanks for the help..
i thought it was always like this
thats why i was concerned about
that is running memory into single channel.
you need to use DIMM1 & DIMM2 like Hans said to use Dual Channel.

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Opteron 165 K8N Diamond plus: Simple question

Will this chip be ok on the original BIOS version, or does it need to be flashed to support Opterons.
Sorry if this has been addressed but I did not find an answer via search option I need to get a CPU ASAP. And it's between the Opteron 165 and a Athlon XP 4000+.
Thanks

don't go for AM2. Intel's conroe is better. You know that a 2.66ghz conroe beats a 3.6ghz FX 57 and costs way less? Those conroes are amazing. They run on low voltage and get high overclocks on air.
Conroe will be out in july and i cannot wait. Im really sick of the inefficiency of A64. They are only effective if overclocked to the max but and many A64 tend to be duds, such as my opty 148. It is funny that an highly oced A64 on a phase change cooling system got beaten by a chip that is only aircooled
Here is proof. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97593

CPU Usage 100%? K8N Diamond Plus

Never before have I witnessed the CPU being used at it's absolute maximum. It has been occuring regularily with my system. I noticed it first when my screen saver started getting jittery. This seems to occur most often about 1-2 minutes after windows finishes loading. It seems kind of odd to me that this occurs during typically idle system times. The memory usage also dramatically rises during these spikes, using ctrl+alt+delete I noticed svchost.exe to be the culprit of the memory usage atleast. The hard drive doesn't appear to be active when these events occur. Is this normal for this motherboard, or is this something that should be corrected?
I've always had 3 short beeps upon startup with this board, but it has never stalled the boot process. Anyone know what this means?
I've upgraded my board somewhat recently and carried over the CPU and memory from a older MSI model that used the same type. Could it be possible either or both are incompatible?
Also one, somewhat less important problem. First off I must say that the PS/2 power on feature is pretty cool. I used it with a wireless keyboard so I could turn on my PC from my living room HDTV (I have my comp wired through Y/Pr/Pb cables). Only problem is about one in every 4 or so shutdowns the system restarts immediatly when this feature is selected in the bios. Bios issue maybe?
System Info (and everything directly connected to it):
(pretty sure not all of this is relevant, but I figure it couldn't hurt)
MoBo: MSI K8N Diamond Plus
Memory: 1Gb (2x512 kit) Crucial PC3200 CT6464Z40B.C8TD (in slots 1 & 2)
Processor: Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester
GPU (only one): MSI NX7900GT-VT2D256E-HD (primary PCI-e)
Modem: SupraMax LE 56K Fax Modem (PCI)
HDD: WD Caviar 120Gb IDE (primary)
HDD: Maxtor 80Gb USB (external, non system)
3.5: Standard 3.5" floppy drive (a:)
5.25: Lite-on 48x CD burner (secondary slave)
5.25: Sony DVD rom (secondary master)
PS: Antec SmartPower 2.0 500W
Human Interface: Wired Logitech KB & Mouse through USB (for primary use)
Human Interface: Wireless Logitech KB & Mouse through PS/2 (for remote use, often turned off)
Primary Monitor: Viewsonic P70f 17" CRT hooked to DVI #1 via RGB adapter
Secondary Monitor: Sony KDL-V32XBR1 32" HDTV through 1080i Y/Pr/Pb adapter, stereo audio
Speakers: harman/kardon
Connected to internet via Cat5 network, phone modem sometimes used when primary internet is down
OS: Windows XP Pro w/ SP 2 installed
Thank's in advance to anyone that can help me as I'm pretty much stumped at this point.

Quote from: mdawgmike on 11-November-06, 11:25:18
Any other suggestions?
how about this:
Quote from: BOSSKILLER on 03-November-06, 23:14:30
get Process Explorer to determinate in details what make this CPU usage: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html
it has more detailed information than the built-in task manager.

K8N Diamond Plus Questions?

I have a some questions about my K8N Diamond Plus. I recently replaced a K8N Neo Nforce 3 board and some other parts as well. The machine has been working very well with this new board so far but there are a few issues I’d like to get resolved.
1. Does anyone know if there is a new BIOS out for this board? I have that problem where at start up it shows that I have a new card in one of my PCI slots even though I do not….it does’nt seem to hurt the machine at all it’s just annoying….i’m wondering if they released a BIOS that corrected that?
2. On my old board I overclocked the machine with no problems at all. Now I’m no expert at over clocking but I do like to dable a little and last time I did I had no problems. This board seems like it will over clock well so I went and got better RAM….i just received some Corsair XMS 2GB DDR 400. I went into the Cell Menu to look at the options for the RAM and saw much, much more then I had on my old Neo board.
I know I need to adjust the CAS Latency, RAS# to CAS# delay, Min RAS# Active Time and the Row Precharge Time for this RAM….people have been saying that their motherboards do not detect the correct timings for this RAM (2.5-3-3-6) so you need to adjust it Manually…along with uping the Voltage to 2.7.
My question is…..do I need to worry about any other options under the MCT Timing Mode besides the 4 I mentioned above? Also…I could’nt seem to adjust the Voltage for the RAM? Every time I high lighted it and hit enter nothing would pop up for me to adjust (and it is white not gray like some things are)….is there something I’m missing that I need to shut off in order to access it???
Thanks ahead of time for anyone that can provide me with some answers.

I have not been able to find any information on those other settings. It is my current project and I am not having a great amount of success.
The defaults for them do not seam to have any adverse effect on stability the system in my signature is my MS-7220 system at FSB=225, CPU multiplier of 12, Memory/FSB =1/1 system is quite stabile if I am not playing with the BIOS settings.
I am working on, some major some minor these current problems. Watch out for number three it will flat blow your BIOS Parameters. It happens on my system every time, but I not been able to find any body that is will to trash the BIOS to verify it, so I can be sure it is a real BIOS problem or my system. “MCP Timing Mode” use to do the same thing, that where the V1.16 BIOS version came form MSI Tech Support sent my that one to fix the problem and this one looks to be the same.
1.   First boot screen the line “DRAM = 400 MHz, Dual-Channel.” It reads 400 MHz do matter what that actual memory transfer rate actually is.
2.   Cell Menu parameter “Adjust DDR Voltage (V)”, has two problems (1) the BIOS default voltage is outside the manufacture specification for normal operating range. BOIS default is 2.65V and manufacture states the Memory Module should be operated between 2.7V minimum and 2.9V maximum. (2) The voltage cannot be set to the manufactures minimum voltage of 2.7V. Starting with the BIOS default voltage of 2.65V and you press “+” key once and voltage jumps to 2.75V, press the “-“ key and the voltage jumps back to BIOS default of 2.65V.
3.   Cell Menu>Memory Configuration>User Config Mode parameter, when set to “Manual” and all of the “User Config Mode” sub-parameters left at BIOS default. The system will not boot. When I say will not boot I mean Blank Screen, no beeps, no drive activity, just case and motherboard fans come on.
4.   Menu “CPU Frequency Configuration”, parameter Adjust CPU VID. CPU correct voltage tracks the set by about 0.03V high. Example: if Adjust CPU VID to 1.375V and actual vCore voltage is about 1.405 Volts. The offset is maintained through the voltage adjustment range of the current CPU.
Roger
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K8N DIamond Plus- 4 sticks of memory problem

I have a new Opteron 180 with a K8N Diamond plus mb. I am thinking about getting another 2g of memory to run with my current 2g of 3200 memory to speed up Vista even more. I thought the new chips could run 4 sticks of memory at 400 with a command rate of 2t. I wanted to try to see if it would work so I pulled two 512 pc3200 sticks from my wifes computer and installed it. At boot up it clocked the memory to 333 (which I expected it to actually) and I got into the bios and set it to 400 with 2t command rate and everything else at default settings. All the memory is Kingston value ram. The computer randomly booted and I had lockups at 400, but at 333 it ran fine, but I still couldn't run the memory at 1t with 333. I am using bios 1.33 as the other bios's always set the HT bus wrong for me. Is this just a function of the motherboard or is the memory not compatable with each other? I thought the motherboard is irrevelant since the memory controller is on the cpu?
Thanks for your help,
Scott

The memorycontroller IS inside the CPU.
And some are lucky to get it stable booting at DDR400 with 4 sticks, some get crashes.
However, most have drop-backs to DDR333.
It's a CPU limitation when using unbuffered memory.
Buffered memory should be able to do it, however, I'm not quite sure as this is an S939 type CPU.
You could try something if you know somebody that has buffered memory.
Sometimes it helps if you lower the other timings.

New K8N diamond plus questions please help.

Hi all well i am new to this msi site and am thinking of buying the new MSI K8N Diamond plus motherboard, the problem i have is that i have been a fan of ASUS and have had there last 3 SLI motherboards of which i have not been happy with.
Well i am totaly into overclocking and have an Opteron 165, balistix ram, 600w Enermax PSU, 2x Gainward 6800gt's,
what i am looking for is a motherboard that does what i says it will do, yes the asus a8n32 was a great motherboard but has a limitation on the voltage if useing the new E4-E6 stepping cores of which would only give a max voltage of 1.58v of which the asus spec said 1.76v.
What i am asking you chaps is is this a great motherboard, can you play with all the coms settings without any limitation, or do you think that the DFI motherboard is better.
If you can let me have some info on this motherboard that would be great, as i can not seam to get any reply from MSI about some information.
what i am looking for is what is the max CPU voltage and is there any limitation on it for some chips.
what is the max voltage for the ram
what is the max voltage for the chipset.
any help on this would be great.

Quote from: Stick on 23-February-06, 17:46:08
there is no mobo that alows 4V for the memory. i think the DFI goes up to 3.4V and you can use a DDR Booster to get to 3.8V. the only mobo that is capable to pass 3.3V is the DFI since you can have the choice to select from which rail the memory will be powered (the 3.3V or the 5V). you don't have that option in any other mobo.
Hi thanks for the mail but i have just copied this from msi about this motherboard, see below.
1.Adjust CPU FSB Frequency:
You can adjust the desired "CPU FSB Frequency" by using "+,-" key. The default value of AMD Athlon™64 is 200MHz. The maximum value is 450MHz.
2.AMD Overclocking Configuration (CPU Ratio):
If the CPU is Athlon™64 FX series, the ratio range is from 4 to 25.
If the CPU is Athlon™64 series, the ratio should be set according to its model number. For example, the ratio range of 3000+ is from 4 to 9, and the 3200+ is from 4 to 10.
3.Adjust Extra CPU Voltage:
This is for adjusting CPU voltage while overclocking. Following the CPU default value, the maximum is 1.8V. The interval is 0.05V.
4.Adjust DDR Memory frequency:
The Memclock is the major part which has four different frequencies to match many kinds overclocking memory modules. The memory frequency settings includes DRAM/FSB=1/2, 2/3, 5/6, 1/1.
5.DDR Memory Voltage:
This is for adjusting memory voltage while overclocking. K8N Diamond Plus has a special design.We use jump to distinguish two level arrangement of voltage. In this way it can get maximum 4.1V for overclocking modules. As you can see the below pictures, the left one is the standard mode when jump hat is located at the top postion. The default value is 2.5V, and the maximum is 3.2V. The interval is 0.05V. As the right one, it is overclocking mode when jump hat is located at the under postion. The default value is 3.2V, and the maximum is 4.1V. The interval is 0.05V.
What i am asking is there any limitation on the cpu voltage like the asus a8n32 as this had a max voltage of 1.58v due to it having a limit put on it by recomendation of amd.

K8N Diamond Plus + Vista upgrade issues + Memory

When I go to install Vista Business , I receive an error before the install saying that my motherboard is Non-ACPI compliant. I went into the bios and and made sure that all ACPI settings were turned on. Also I installed 2 more gigs about a month ago and only see 3 gigs on post instead of the 4 that is installed. I tried to update my BIOS using the MSI utility but received a memory error saying it can detect the correct amount. I ran MEMtest and it passed .Here are my system specs:
K8n Diamond Plus - Bios ver 1.0
AMD Ath 64 x2 4800 toledo
4 gigs of Corsair XMS DDR433 3500LLPRO
2 x EVGA 7950 GT KO Superclocked 512mb
WD Raptor 74 ( OS)
WD SE16 320 gb (storage)
Plextor 18x
PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 510 SLI
XP SP2

Quote from: iampiglet on 02-February-07, 23:18:28
When I go to install Vista Business , I receive an error before the install saying that my motherboard is Non-ACPI compliant. I went into the bios and and made sure that all ACPI settings were turned on. Also I installed 2 more gigs about a month ago and only see 3 gigs on post instead of the 4 that is installed. I tried to update my BIOS using the MSI utility but received a memory error saying it can detect the correct amount. I ran MEMtest and it passed .Here are my system specs:
K8n Diamond Plus - Bios ver 1.0
AMD Ath 64 x2 4800 toledo
4 gigs of Corsair XMS DDR433 3500LLPRO
2 x EVGA 7950 GT KO Superclocked 512mb
WD Raptor 74 ( OS)
WD SE16 320 gb (storage)
Plextor 18x
PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 510 SLI
XP SP2
I have the same motherboard with 4GB Ram. I had to enable the memory hole in the memory configuration of the bios for it to see the full 4GB. However, Windows 32-bit will not show the full 4GB ram since 32-bit addressing limit is 4GB and all your peripherals have to be included like vid card memory, etc. So don't beat your head against your desk once you get your bios seeing the 4GB and Windows 32-bit doesn't. My Vista gives 2.8GB ram of my 4GB, some get more, but I know I have two video cards with 768MB ram also. I'm using 1.2 bios.
Incidently, I ordered an OEM Vista X64, it will be interesting to see if it sees all my memory since 64-bit can go up to enormous addressing ranges.
Good Luck

MSI-K8N Diamond Plus - which memory?

Hello,
I will soon buy the K8N Diamond PLus motherboard. For that motherboard, I have selected the following memory: Corsair 512 Mo DDR-SDRAM PC3200 CMX Cas-2. But I can not find if this is ok for this type of motherboard. Does someone knows something about that? ???
Thx in advance!

Marlysa,
I would suggest that you stay away from the corsair xms ram as i figured the sme thing when I built my system, that it,s Corsair and its the #1 selected ram and usualy the most compatible, But this is not the case with this motherboard it's very picky about hardware pretty much the same as DFI board's!!!
Of course the CORSAIR WEBSITE will tell you this they want youre money!!!!!! Their certainly not going to reccomend OCZ MEMMORY that's for sure!!!!!
Please reconsider youre decision as I myself have traveled down that road you about to take. Personaly I love Corsair ram and i certainly wont bash it, but get the OCZ5002048ELGEGXT-K it cost me $213.00 wth tax for 2 gigs instead of $160.00 with tax for the corasir xms 2- 512 sticks Believe me you will be thankful that you took my suggestion!!!!! with the new 1.20 BIOS at optimized default's it posts and configures itself automatically where as befor you would usealy have to configure it manually in bios to get it to post at 500mhz believe me this OCZ MEMORY ROCKS!!!!
Save youreself alot of this.... BUY IT!!!!!!
Brother Esau
P.S just check around the forum their's alot of peop[le that have issues with the DIAMOND PUS AND CORSAIR RAM.

K8N DIAMOND PLUS RAID 0+1 Question

I have K8N Diamond Plus due tomorrow as the base for the new system I am building. In addition I have 4 Western Digital 320GB SATA drives with 16MB buffers on the way to serve as my storage. My question is this, I would like to set the drives up in a bootable RAID 0+1 array. In fact I would like to have the ability to multi-boot from the array. Is this possible? If so, it would be greatly appreciated to hear recommendations on partioning the array. I would like to dual boot for sure and possibly add a third OS.
Thank you in advance,
--Sarge

like syar said, it will show up just as one harddrive on your machine. that means that you can do with it whatever you are able to do with 1 harddrive: partition, multi-boot etc. since this is your first 0+1 array, i wish you good luck. you're gonna have fun with it, i know i did with my first array (took me 4 hours to figure out what's what, but hey, there wasn't any MSI forum at that time )

K8N Diamond Plus- bios freeze & question about temp/voltage monitor

A weird issue I had right after I setup my mobo last night was that I could not access the "PC Health" portion of the bios. If I tried selecting it, it would just freeze. Is this a known issue? I'm hoping a bios update may solve this one. Does anyone know anything about this?

Well I was mostly just asking if this was a known issue, so I guess "no" is all the answer I need... Now, what would be my best solution? I am assuming bios update, is there anything else that I should consider?
But if it helps, as I said its a brand new build, so I'm running the default bios. 1.00. My other components are: Silverstone Zeus 560w, 2GB of G.Skill pc4000, Raptor 74gb, 7900gtx, Opteron 165.
Also, since my other thread was locked (I figured seperating two different topics would make it easier for people to respond to specific questions, I apologize,) here's my other question pasted:
"I just set up my new system with this motherboard (K8N Diamond Plus,) an Opteron 165, Scythe Mine heatsink, and a Silverstone Zeus 560w. Its these components that lead to my question-
I am getting temps of about 31C idle, 41C load. Nice temps yes, but I'm not sure how accurate those are. That means that it is idling at 86F in a room that was probably in the high 70's, maybe 80. Seems a little too good to be true, but then again, I am used to Intel's furnace-like temps
Its the voltage reading that has me a bit more concerned though. Corecenter is reading my +5v as 5.36v, and my +12v as 12.28v. The +3.3v is reading about spot-on at 3.33v. I'm hoping that someone else who has this motherboard can tell me this- are the readings in Corecenter for this motherboard generally accurate, and should I be concerned about this?"
Thanks for any help you can give. No sig yet because I just registered an hour ago, I'll work on it.

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