MSI MEDIA LIVE (ATI HD 3200) - Flickering/unstable in Windows 7 (x64?)

I am having a new virgin install problem (after upgrading the processor) the problem may be x64.
Story: Well, this is a MSI Media Diva motherboard MS-7411 and I had to install Windows 7 x86 (32-bit) in order to be able to update the BIOS to 1.3 to accept the new AMD quad processor (Phenon II X4 905e) that I was contemplating for the build.
Windows 7 x86 showed cleanly and stable with no video flicker. The BIOS update went smoothly, and then I did a clean install of Windows 7 but installed x64 (64 bit) his time instead of x86 (32-bit).
At first the boot screen seemed stable, but on the desktop it flickered constantly (with black lines). I did some updates and installed the ATI driver software and the correct monitor profile and it seems to flicker less, but it still seems like an unstable image at a minute level (that is the screen is not solid, there are little jaggy flickers throughout like radio interference).
When there were black bar flickers swore it flickered in response to some interference from another device - or at least that's what it seems like to me.
Set-Up:
MSI Media Live DIVA MS-7411 motherboard
. North Bridge: AMD® 780M
. South Bridge: AMD® SB700
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3200
Phenom II X4 905e Processor
G.Skill F2-640-CL4D-4GBPK PC2-6400 (2 x 2GB DDR2-800) Dual Channel Memory
BIOS AMI 1.34 (most recent) - Optomized Defaults
Intel 40GB SSD is the main HD with the OS (SATA), + 1TB WD Green HDD (for media) (SATA) + LG DVD Multi-drive (SATA)
Monitor Samsung SyncMaster 215TW (same flicker whether I use VGA or Component Out)
ATI Catalyst 10.1 for Windows 7 (x64) Suite installed.
There was a point where it seemed more stable and was giving me a dialogue saying that the Catalyst Control Panel was not for my version video driver (and that may have been with the Windows 7 default driver install.
I would prefer to run x64 for personal reasons and to take advantage of more RAM.
I may try doing a fresh install of Win7 x86 32 bit and see if the problem goes away again
- but I hate having to do this experimentaiton on my SSD.
Any ideas or similar experiences? Thank you in advance.

64bit Windows not some logical step to follow if you don't have 64bit software that you need to run.
64bit CPU's have been around for a long time, yet Microsoft never bothered to do anything with it, with as result it's just starting where Linux/Unix started 20 years ago.
That is why they are stable with it and Windows is not, also they maintain a completely different OS model and they have 99.99% of the source-code of all programs.
And it's still not a priority for Microsoft, as they maintain 32bit versions just the same, but no software in 64bit versions that is worth switching for.
32bit has trouble free drivers and software, no wonder, they had decades to perfect 2000, XP, (Vista)W7...however, 64bit Windows is a wormhole, best left to be untouched until you explicitly need it.
As for running 64bit Windows with 32bit software it's NOT faster, NOT as stable and NOT as compatible.
Looks enough reason for me....

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