Multipages Form: JSF or Struts?

Hi! :) I'm italian so sorry in advance for my poor english! :P
I would like to know, as your experience, if, to create multipage forms, is more simple using Struts or Java Server Faces (jsf)....
In my opinion jsf is more simple becouse i cuold use one JavaBean only, and the different jsp pages could refer to that bean (scope request or other also?)...while using struts I must create an ActionForm, and so on...making more laborious job.
I don't have much experience with this 2 frameworks...so in your opinion which is the most simple to this kind of forms?
Thanks in advance! :)

JSF is better than Sturts. ("Until now there is no sucess story on JSF.")
Becoz, Struts inventor has been hired by SunMicroSystems to work with JSF. The same guy mentioned in an interview, that struts developement will be stopped in future.
Also..,
Until now there is no sucess story on JSF. Only time can decide which is best.
My suggestion is, better spend your time in learning more jsp and servlets specifications, XML/XSLT, JMS, Webservices rather JSF/Struts.
All these frameworks like JSF/Sturts will depends on your project requirement. There is a nice book and online document in this website about design patterns. Read those things if you have time. You will get good idea.
Well.., this is all my personal opinions.

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http://donner.cs.uni-magdeburg.de:8080/elearning/modelschoice.jsp
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Alright,people their are using View Controller pattern.
Here is how they could have done it.
They might have designed dedicated JSP for each and everyform their.
Including same .gif file in the header part.
However,they are calling a single JSP file/Servlet /Struts Dispatch Action/Or any backing bean(with url pattern controller.jsp).
All they are doing their is Trying to save details of all the form inputs as respective property in a bean which is used to render contents in repective JSP page and then finally the controller forwards the page to next jsp page at the server side therefore url in the browser would not change however,response regards to new page would changed with change in url and consequently the new response would again call the same controller again & again and updates the same View Object which is scoped under session and finally when application gets the complete data regards to form it updates it DB forwards or redirects to the confirmation page.
If you still don't understand what i'm trying to exaplain.
It would be a great idea for you to learn MVC pattern or what is MODEL 2 pattern.
hope the below link might be of some help :)
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-1999/jw-12-ssj-jspmvc.html
http://java.sun.com/blueprints/patterns/MVC-detailed.html
http://java.sun.com/blueprints/patterns/MVC.html
http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2002_05/magazine/columns/weblication/
http://www.javapassion.com/j2ee/MVCPatternAndFrameworks_speakernoted.pdf
http://www.springframework.org/docs/reference/mvc.html
http://java.sun.com/developer/EJTechTips/2004/tt0324.html#1
http://www.developer.com/java/ent/article.php/3558501
http://www.csis.pace.edu/~bergin/mvc/mvcgui.html
REGARDS,
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I have seen some threads in this form regarding migration from Struts to JSF. Most of the posters back then (1999-2003) suggested starting with Struts and then migrating to JSF for production.
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I would like to know your opinion on migrating from JSF to Struts. How hard is it? Our architecture has Views, View Helpers, Business Context objects, Business Delegate objects, Business Processor objects, DAO (DB2, AS/400), DTO, etc. They seem rich enough semantically when compared with Struts that groups all these under MVC, even though they are complex to manage (job security :).
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To quote Ron Burdundy, "That doesn't even make any sense!" :) Seriously, though (and I admit a huge bias), that seems like a huge step backward. It seems the logic is this: "We outsourced the development of this system to someone else, and now we're left either maintaining it ourselves or paying them to do it, but, if we rewrite it with $FRAMEWORK, we'll be free of them." Is that right? How is maintaining a Struts app different (frameworks aside) from maintaining a JSF app? This is probably obvious, but that's a step I would neither take nor suggest. :)

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JSF is better than Sturts. ("Until now there is no sucess story on JSF.")
Becoz, Struts inventor has been hired by SunMicroSystems to work with JSF. The same guy mentioned in an interview, that struts developement will be stopped in future.
Also..,
Until now there is no sucess story on JSF. Only time can decide which is best.
My suggestion is, better spend your time in learning more jsp and servlets specifications, XML/XSLT, JMS, Webservices rather JSF/Struts.
All these frameworks like JSF/Sturts will depends on your project requirement. There is a nice book and online document in this website about design patterns. Read those things if you have time. You will get good idea.
Well.., this is all my personal opinions.

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http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces/

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JSF vs Struts article on Websphere Journel

This article lists some of the common areas between JSF and Struts and shows the pros and cons of each technology in each area.
http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=46516
Ed (JSR-252 Spec co-lead)

Hmm I can't access that :(
I liked Craig's blog post about the both tecnologies, I think that everyone should read that.
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/craigmcc/20040927#struts_or_jsf_struts_and

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You're wanting to get back into writing web applications?
Web services?
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3 - Java1.5.
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