Multiple Production Versions in Subcontracting Inforecord

Hi Gurus - I have a question on how to assign multiple production versions in Sub-contracting Inforecord?
I heard this functionality is available in ECC 6.0 is that true? If so how can I assign multiple production versions? What happens after we CIF across to APO? Any help is highly appreciated.
Thanks and regards,
Murali.

Murali - Its possible to use multiple PV in sub contracting.
Settings in ERP :
1. In CFC9 activate the - Transfer multiple selection of PDS indicator. When you select this indicator, the system allows you to select several productions versions in the integration model; it also creates a Production Process Model (PPM) or Production Data Structure (PDS) for each production version in SAP SCM
2. Assign the PV's to the subcontracting info record through - Logistics - Central Functions - Supply Chain Planning Interface - Core Interface - Advanced Planner and Optimizer - Environment - Data Transfer -Assign Multiple Production Versions
3. When you select the integration model parameters for PDS, you have selected PP/DS Subcontracting as the PDS Type value. Similarly, for PPM, you have selected Subcontracting PPM as the Type of PPM value.
Subcontracting with multiple production versions is supported. However, the integration with an SAP ERP system requires at least SAP ERP 2005 with Enhancement Pack 03.
Rgds
Valavan

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1.In case if you want to split the requirement's equally for 2 different sources say 2 different production versions you can
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