Multiple websites one domain

Ok I've split my website into 2 separate websites as it was getting a little large.
I host on mobile me.
Now I need to get the new one listed in Google and get some analytics into it and get it listed in webmaster tools.
I tried adding it to webmaster tools - which worked but no verification required ???
Now I'm trying to do google analytics and I need to decide if it is multiple domains etc etc...
I'm a bit confused about this
If I select multiple subdomains do I need to redo the analytics code on the first website?
Would I be better off with another domain name?

There are some problems with having multiple sites from multiple domain.sites files and multiple purchased domain names.
Multiple Sites with Domain Name(s) in a Single MobileMe Account
Here's how to have multiple sites in a single MMe account with one or more sites having a domain name.
A. All sites are in the same Domain.sites2 files
1 - only one site can use the CNAME method of domain name forwarding and it must the top site in the left hand pane of iWeb.
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2 - the other sites must use URL domain name forwarding which directs the domain name to the site's full MMe URL, http://web.me.com/MMeUsername/SiteName, or, if there is no domain name, just MobileMe's full URL.
B. Each site is in its own Domain.sites2 file.
Again, only one site can use CNAME forwarding. This presents a problem since CNAME forwarding directs the domain name to the basic MMe account URL: http://web.me.com/MMe_Username/ which uses an index.html file in the root folder of the account, iDisk/Web/Sites. Each time a new site is published or an existing site uses the File->Publish Entire Site a new index.html file is created in that root directory, iDisk/Web/Sites folder, directing the browser to that particular site. This file is what the CNAME method uses to find the site it represents.
Therefore some steps must be taken to assure that the index.html file in the MMe Accounts root directory always points to the correct site. This can be accomplished is three ways.
1 - don't use the CNAME method. Just use URL forwarding . This, IMO, is the simplest method as it doesn't requre any additional effort on the user once the domain name has been set up.
2 - use the following method suggested by Wyodor in this topic: Is it possible to have multiple sites when using ur Domain name?
In iWeb domainfile 1:
Create a dummy site : _dummy
with a blank page.
Create your working site : Whatever
Add pages
Publish both Sites to the same same location on the same server.
Your _dummy site is now the default Site.
Check.
In iWeb domainfile 2:
Create/Use your CurrentSite.
Move a page to the top of the Site and back. Publish the Site.
iWeb will create a new index.html file in the root of the server and from now on CurrentSite is the default site.
Check.
From now on, never move your Whatever Site to the top of the list in the iWeb sidebar and never change the page in the _dummy site.
Simply do not touch your _dummy ever again. And never forget that.
3 - use Ethmoid's suggested method in Using two sites - setting one up with separate domain? or republishing the entire site that uses CNAME forwarding. Just making a minor change and publishing the site changes does not create a new index.html file.
The entire site must be republsihing in order to get that new site.
Or keep a copy of the CNAME site's index.html file on your Mac and replace it manually in the iDisk/Web/Sites fodler when necessary.
NOTE: the CNAME method provides a shorter URL: http://www.DomainName.com/Site_Name/PageName. CNAME does not have masking.
The URL forwarding displays the full MMe URL:
http://web.me.com/MMeUsername/Domain_Name/PageName.
With domain name masking that will be shortened to:
http://www.Domain_Name.com for every page of your site.
However, with masking visitors will only be able to bookmark and enter at the first page of the site. If a page is refreshed the visitor is taken back to the first page. Also search engines will only be able to index the first page of the site.
OT

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    When our web server was initially set up the engineer set up "wiki.myschool.org" on port 80 and "mail.myschool.org" on port 443. In the aliases section was nothing but a "*" (the wildcard character). That means, from what I can figure out, that the webserver will respond to these sites regardless of what is typed in the URL. (Well, something like that - point is, if you create OTHER websites, you'll NEVER get to them because the wildcard character in the "Aliases" section, in effect, grabs those web requests and redirects them to the sites that are already there.
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    Local Folder is really only practical if you want to host a website on a laptop (I was blown away initially when I found out that all Macs had a built-in web server - how neat is that?). I think there are some very cool things teachers could do with configuration, and, of course, you wouldn't need to set up any web services on the web server, but that's for another discussion. You need to set up FTP services on the web server.
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    ================================================
    CLIENT SIDE - CONFIGURING iWEB
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    THEREFORE: I have, in my ..../Documents folder (on the server), a "students" folder, a "faculty" folder, and a "litmag" folder.
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    I want to reiterate that this works for our school but it should work for you as well. There may be better ways to do this but it works for us.
    Hope this has been helpful and you won't have to spend weeks trying to figure this all out by yourself!

    OK...here's how we did it.
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    (I’m also assuming that you use a router of some sort through which traffic flows out to the internet and that you aren’t using connection sharing or something like that.)
    The next thing you need to do is have your new static IP address associated with the server on which you are hosting your website. You've probably already done that if your website works inside your network. However, you've associated a private ip (192.168.x.x, etc.) to your web server. That doesn't mean anything to folks on the outside because private IP addresses are just that - private - folks can't access them. (I won't get into VPN because that's a whole other topic.)
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    Basically you create an "A" (CNAME) record with a fully qualified domain name (e.g. webserver.myschool.org) and point it to your public IP address (XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX) which you just got from your ISP. It's going to take a while (24-48 hours) for this change to take effect. BTW, you can create as many “A” records as you want. For example mail.myschool.com and wiki.myschool.com could point to the same place.
    You want to make sure that the fully qualified domain name you enter in the external dns utility matches the name you used when you created your internal dns records on your XServer.
    OK...so now folks can get to your domain - but, remember, you have a private network IP scheme between them and you. You now have to tell your router that when web traffic arrives, allow it inside the network and direct it to your web server.
    Let's say your public IP address is 205.100.112.50 and your web server is 192.168.0.5.
    You have to create, in your router’s "Security Zone" (router companies call them different things) a couple of rules. Usually the first rule is: "Let everything inside the network get out to the web." You've probably already done that if folks inside the network can reach the internet.
    You then have to tell the router to allow web traffic (port 80) into your network AND redirect that traffic to 192.168.0.5.
    We use AdTran routers and they have a web interface which allows you to write "rules" affecting public and private traffic. Public is folks outside the network, private is folks inside.
    AdTran calls them "Security Zones" and you modify those zones with policies.
    So my "Policy" would say, in the above example, redirect traffic from my public IP (205.100.112.50) -> to my web server -> (192.168.0.5).
    THEN you have to modify this policy with what AdTran calls "Traffic Selectors". You've said, OK, you can get in, but WHAT can get in?
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    I'll tell you I'm no genius when it comes to this. I called AdTran and had them configure my router for me. I told them what I wanted done, they remoted into the router and configured it. But then I could go to the web interface and see what they did and then added rules later on when I wanted, for example, to get access to the network via Apple Remote Desktop or VPN into the network on my iPad.
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    I don’t know if that helps or not, but I try to think about this stuff conceptually and then get someone to help me with the details. I work with this stuff so infrequently that I forgot how I did something 6 months or a year ago. I’m in the process of creating a wiki for the school which documents all this stuff, but that’s a major undertaking.
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    John

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