Naming of Sharpening Presets

So, how do you folks name sharpening presets? At least for now, I'm using names like: bird, butterfly, flower, treescape, dog, etc.
BTW, the new sharpening tools are just what LR needed. Great job Jeff, Mark, Adobe.

Too funny. Anyhow, it's the visual image that helps identify what the sharpening does. Just by remembering what image I used to develop the preset, I can know that it is optimized for that particular and similar images. Pinpoint sharpening is then just a matter of selecting the correct preset. Works for me and saves lots of time and I have optimized sharpening.

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Sharpening presets

How do unsharp mask settings map to Lightroom sharpening? Amount and radius of course map, but how about clipping and its relationship to either detail or masking? I wish that Gaussian blur were an option in Lightroom, by the way. Thanks!

Actually I'm not sure that amount and radius map against USM either
The easiest way I guess is to compare with the same image.

LR4.1 preset for sharpening darkens pictures

Hello,
the Adobe presets delivered with LR4 for sharpening include a command line which forces a switch to the new process engine "2012" or ProcessVersion = "6.7". I do not understand why Adobe allows a general preset to include a process version change command.
As a result, these sharpening presets can not be used on photos from an older LR3.x catalog without affecting the exposure or brightness - if you do, the picture exposure or brightness or whatever is set to lower settings, the histogram shows a darkening of about 2/3 aperture. Unfortunately, as the exposure changes, no slider or number value of the exposure, brightness etc. do change - very inconsistent.
In case you would choose to develop an older photo in LR4.1 and first use the upate icon button right of the picture to update the photo to process version 2012, then the picture will convert without changes in exposure (to the new process version) and then, the sharpening preset will not alter the exposure.
Also, it is hard to understand that the command line in the preset has a different result compared to the update button.
Presets seem to be dependent on certain process versions. No consideration is visible in the software for upgrade of change management of presets vs. process versions. A hard switch by command line does not to the job - this command line should not be in the preset. OR - the presets have to be named "LR4.1 presets only".
I consider this behaviour to be a bug or nonconformity of the software.
Mostly confused. I will have to manage all manually, with a catalog of approx. 35.000 pictures.
Any resolution to this?
Gerd

There are a number of LR4 Develop presets That apply PV2012 without doing the develop conversion process. This sure looks like a bug to me!
I agree with Rob that there should be a "warning" popup and proper conversion if you choose to proceed.
You can submit a bug report here:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family
For now your easiest solution is to create your own develop presets, or copy LR3's presets by 'Import' into a 'New Folder' titled 'LR3 Presets inside the LR4 Develop module 'Presets' panel.
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/04/updating-develop-presets-for-lightroom-4-2 .html
I just tried it on my Windows 7 LR4.1 and the LR3 presets work fine in LR4. It looks like they also include PV2010 as part of the LR3 preset, so make sure you don't use them with any LR4 PV2012 processed images. LR3 must be installed (or reinstalled) to 'Import' the LR3 develop presets into LR4.
Here's the path on Windows 7 to 'Import' the LR3 presets inside LR4's Develop module:
C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom\Develop Presets\Lightroom Presets
The new 'LR3 Presets' folder will also show up in LR3's Develop preset panel. Simply ignore it if you still use LR3, but don't delete the folder.

Where is Smart Sharpen CS3 Settings folder located on the computer?

Where is Smart Sharpen CS3 Settings folder located on the computer?
Filter>Sharpen>Smart Sharpen
Settings>Save a Copy of Settings.
I once created and saved many custom settings on my old computer.
They would appear in the drop down Setting menu.
My question is, where is the Smart Sharpen Settings folder located on the computer?
I did do a Forum Search Smart Sharpen but results did not yield any info on where custom settings are stored.
Thank you in advance.
Kathryn
Mac OSX version 10.4.11

Kathryn...
I remember this exact subject coming up a year ago or more, and at that time I did some experimentation and some digging. Up until you asked your question, I had forgotten I ferreted this out before.
Back then, I created and saved a Smart Sharpen preset, and I named it
drogueflute
so I could find it again.
Just this morning, I did the same thing (because I had forgotten that I did it before), and named the preset
whelkvines
, again, so I could find it easily. Imagine my surprise when I first dropped that presets menu in the Smart Sharpen dialogue, and saw
drogueflute
staring back at me! The memories of doing this same thing before all came flooding back.
OK...so I saved out the preset I named
whelkvines
I found references to the two custom settings I saved out of the Smart Sharpen dialogue box. They are buried deep within the code for Photoshop's settings.
For me (and I'll generally assume for most users) these are stored in the Preferences folder...
../Users/
youruseraccountname
/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CS2 Settings/Adobe Photoshop CS2 Prefs.psp
Sooooo, if you want to import these presets, you'll need to find the "Adobe Photoshop
[version name Prefs.psp" file on your old computer that contained your custom Smart Sharpen presets and put it in its proper place on your new system, replacing the preferences (.psp) file you're currently working from.
Be warned that if the Prefs file on your old computer is from an ancient version of Photoshop, it may not work for a newer version on your new system.
Make sure you keep your current Prefs file handy (move it to your desktop, for example) so you can replace it if something breaks in a really bad way. Or, you could just reset ALL of your current Photoshop preferences by following the instructions presented in the FAQ section of this forum.

Import using develop presets won't work!

Hi all,
I just upgraded from LR2 to LR3. A lot to hate in this new version. But I suppose one needs to adjust and no doubt I will, but there is one thing that is about to drive me up the wall. Something I haven't been able to fix, so here I am, looking for a bit of help.
Here's the problem:
Because I don't like Lightroom's Sharpening & Noise Reduction settings, I used a preset in LR2 that I applied automatically when importing my images into LR. Now, with Lightroom 3 this just won't work properly and I get exclamation marks, indicating those images are not in the 2010 develop environment. I realised I was using my old presets, created in LR2, so that made sense. So I first deleted all my old presets and to make sure, I also deleted my metadata preset that I also apply on import. I couldn't find a way to delete those presets from within Lightroom by the way. So I just went to the library and trashed them manually...
Next:
I open LR3. Now I have no user presets anymore, of any kind. I then import the first image of today's shoot. In the develop module I make sure that I'm working in the 2010 process environment. I set Sharpening and Noise Reduction to what I want them to be and make them a preset. Then I made another preset for my metadata. But after importing the rest of today's shoot with the presets I have just created, it will not accept the 2010 settings and I get the exclamation mark with every image. I have checked that the culprit is not the metadata file. If I use only that to import an image and leave the Develop Settings on None, all is well, and the image is regarded as being in the 2010 process state. If I then *manually* apply my earlier created Noise Reduction/Sharpening preset, it accepts it and all is well. But as soon as I try to apply that same preset again when importing my images, then, when I go to the develop module, the image is suddenly in the 2003 environment again and I get the exclamation marks. I have tried everything I can think of but I cannot escape it any longer: I have been defeated by Lightroom 3. What on earth am I doing wrong here? Anybody?

Yes, I get the same thing with the sliders being greyed out. Funny thing is that the sliders *are* set exactly as in my preset and when I click 'yes update' to 2010 standards, the settings don't change but only the sliders become accessible. The thing is that I really don't want to be doing that with every import, even if you can do the whole batch at once. What I don't understand is that when I import with the preset turned off and apply it in Lightroom's Develop Module, it accepts it without a problem but that when I use the same preset on import, it won't work properly.
Now what the poster in the other thread said was:
"When I saved a new preset and selected to also save the process version, a line in the preset was created: ProcessVersion = "5.7". When I cut and paste that into all my other presets then the sliders were all active when I used them."
I have no idea what he is talking about or how one would do that. When I create a preset I simply click the + sign and in the pop up window select what I want, give it a name and that's it.
Edit: Sorry, I apparently overlooked the Process Version box in the preset panel! Must have been a case of not seeing the forest for the trees. Problem solved. Thanks.

ACR 4.41 capture sharpening

Hi I have a question for the experts here. I have XP SP3 PSCS3 ACR 4.41 I am learning Raw with the wonderful Real World Camera Raw with CS3 by Bruce Fraser and Jeff Schewe.
In the book it is recommended to do my capture sharpening with ACR. Currently I have been using the excellent Photokit Sharpener (1.2.6) plug in for PS,after finishing all of my editing in Raw and converting to PSD. Can anyone suggest equivalent settings in ACR 4.41
Amount radius, detail masking options.
for each option in the digital hi-Res capture sharpening set?
superfine, narrow, medium and wide edge
I have an idea that Jeff Schewe might be involved in Photokit too??
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Kind regards
Geoff

>No, there really is no set of settings since it depends on the source capture and the subject matter...the best bet is to make it look "good" at 100%...
It seems strange to me that useful presets are possible with PKSharpener but not with the new ACR sharpening work flow, since both are based on the same principles: Bruce Fraser's sharpening methods.
While some degree of fine tuning is always desirable, Jeff does give some suggestions for landscape and portrait sharpening presets, both in the ACR with PSCS3 book (pages 170-184) and in the Camera Raw tutorial. I think these are for Canon 1DsMII resolution.
In his seminal sharpening book (Image Sharpening with CS2), Bruce Fraser discusses in some detail the settings for source (radius according to camera MP count and amount according to the strength of the blur filter). He also discusses sharpening for subject content in some depth. The OP implied high resolution, so Jeff's suggestions would be a good starting point in building presets for a given camera and subject matter, and the theoretical basis given in Bruce's book goes a long way into how to make rational adjustments.

Why won't my presets expand anymore? They are now permanently collapsed and unusable..

Previously it was fine and I've used the general preset to sharpen faces, etc. Now nothing happens when I select any of the presets. I don't what else to try.

In Develop module, are you not seeing the small triangle shaped icon to the left of Lightroom presets or User presets? Clicking once usually expands or contracts the list. Are you viewing images at 1:1 to see the results, when applying the sharpening preset? If you open the Detail tab over on the right, you should see the sharpening sliders move as you click the preset. You can use the preset as a starting point and the slider to tweak further if necessary.

Exporting originals naming problem.

In exporting original files, I chose to have the originals named with the preset of filename+date+time. But all of the new file names show 2016 as the year instead of 2015, which is when they were taken and what shows up as the information included in the metadata. Has anyone else had this problem? Do you have a workaround? Currently looks like a flaw in Aperture's preset.

Okay; I didn't read enough of my camera files and settings. I retract this comment/question since the camera did actually record some of the photos as taken in 2016. So the Date Time preset was working.

Where can I get a Lightroom preset that turns a portrait into a sketch?

Where can I find a Lightroom that turns a portrait into a sketch?

If Photoshop or Photoshop Elements is installed, LR can pass an image to that directly; but any other application or standalone utility that you use to carry out a job like this, can be set up as a named "external editor" preset. This gives equally easy access from inside LR. You don't need to Export a copy, start a program, find and open the image; nor, then import the results back to LR - these steps are all automated for you.
You right-click on an image and select your editing preset in the context menu; LR saves a copy of your current image and opens it into the other program. You complete the task there, Save and close. LR now (all by itself) shows two versions of that image - the one you saw before, and a new one which shows the results of your external edit.
So even though LR is not in fact doing the task, but subcontracting it out - it is still just about as convenient for the user, as it would be if this were a true LR extension / plugin.
Some Photoshop plugins come in a standalone version as well, and in that case, the standalone app can be used as a targeted editor by LR, which may be faster and simpler. However if you do use such a plugin (or technique using standard tools) within PS, or other full-featured image editor, you have a full range of other editing possibilities there at the same time; for example, so you can mask and vary the strength of your "sketch" effect across different parts of the photo.

Presets and Profiles

1. What is the specific difference between the 2? Is a profile purely about colour? (as the sliders in the profile pane only relate to colour adjustments).
2. A preset can be applied on import (eg, I am now running a 'capture sharpening' preset on import, saved for different camera bodies and selected in the import menu). However, is a profile applied by default or not, as I cannot find an option for it in import - so does it have to be manually applied if I wish to? Or has 'Adobe Standard' been applied by default, and I have to live with it as a start point?
Grateful for any thoughts - this seems to be a little wrinkle that has very little discussion 'out there' about it, and it's now bugging me, as I've been tweaking my import process.
J

Weltanschauung,
The <Adobe Standard> profile is specific to your camera. Adobe has created multiple <Adobe Standard> profiles for each camera supported in Lr.
Lr selects automatically the <Adobe Standard. profile for your camera and displays only the <Adobe Standard> profile for your camera.
Apart from that you can create your own profile for your camera.
Either you do it just "by eye", i.e. you adjust the sliders in the Camera Calibration panel. See here for more: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/lightroom/using/WS939594D8-4279-41b4-B8E9-B06BC919EC7C.html
Or you do it - more involved, more expensive, but more precise - by taking photos of a color checker and building a custom profile for your camera.
See here (post # 11) how to do this: http://forums.adobe.com/message/5219619#5219619
But I think you are going way overboard with this.
Unless you take routinely photos where color fidelity is an absolute must in a studio under controlled light you can just go with the profiles that are already provided in Lr.
A camera profile is generated only for max two specific light colors (light temperatures). That means it is correct only for these two light temperatures. In everyday photography we encounter constantly changing light temperatures i.e. light colors. So a camera profile is not so useful in real life.
What you can do is this: Get a gray card (a piece of card board with neutral gray tone - available in good photo shops) and put it in the first photo you take in a certain location at a certain time. Then in Lr you take the WB dropper and click on the gray card visible in your photo.
This will adjust your WB to the same light temperature and light color present when you took the photo.
But I tell you one thing: Often you won't like what you see when you do this. The photo still may look "not right", and you will then adjust the WB manually to your liking.
Don't be obsessed with these technical things. A good photo is not achieved by doing things scientifically. A good photo is one that conveys your vision as an artist.

When to Sharpen

If I am planning to edit a photo in Photoshop, when should I use LR sharpening, before going to PS or after? Why?
Since the Sharpening in LR is referred to as "Capture Sharpening" should it be skipped for photos that are going to be printed and all sharpening done in PS as the final step?
In his LR 1.1 Update p. 464, Martin Evening states that over sharpening can lead to "all sorts of problems" at the retouching stage in PS. How much it too much sharpening?
Thank you.

There is an easy answer and that is to stick close to the two sharpening presets provided in the Develop module. Start by selecting either the portrait or landscape setting and if you wish to vary the settings, stick close to the values used in the presets. That way you can avoid over-sharpening.
Yes, all 'raw' images will benfit from some sharpening and you should view capture sharpening as a required preliminary stage for all raw files before you render them in Photoshop and do any retouching or even if you don't use Photoshop and go straight to print. At the print stage a more aggressive sharpening is required to compensate for the loss of sharpness in the translation from pixels to dots on paper that make up a viewed print at a standard viewing distance.
Capture sharpening is used to address the inherrent softness in a raw capture photo and make the image sharp enough to look good on screen without generating halos or artifacts. The point about not over-sharpening is that you don't want to apply heavy output sharpening before you start retouching an image. If there are artifacts in an image at this stage then you may end up cloning these on top of more artifacts and compound the problem.
Bruce Fraser first advocated the multi-pass sharpening approach and spent a lot of research time working out the Photoshop sharpening routines for various types of source images and image content types (i.e. portrait type or fine detail landcape type images) and devised action routines for Photoshop that will apply just the right amount of pre-sharpening. But it took him a lot of hours to work out this and the output sharpening settings! Lightroom/ACR 4.1 does make it easier because the slider settings allow you to interactively set the settings using your eyes to judge what looks best. So although it would still take quite a bit of time to come up with settings as good as the ones Bruce created for Photokit Sharpener, that task is made easier now. But as I say, if you are unsure of how to adjust all the sharpening sliders in the detail panel, try to stick to the presets.
Martin

How do I automatically apply preset by camera and ISO?

I'm using LR 4. I would like to set up noise reduction / sharpening presets for my cameras by ISO (for RAW images only) so that when I import the photos the correct ISO preset is applied. I swear that I used to do this back in LR2 but I cannot remember how to do it anymore. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Turn on "Prefs>Presets>Make defaults specific to ISO".
Reset on photo and sjudt its NR and sharpening.
In Develop module, Develop>Set Default Settings...

Workflow for Sharpening Output of Different Resolutions

I'm looking for a good workflow for sharpening images that are to be output in various resolutions.
My current workflow works, but is a bit cumbersome.
Most of my images are 8-12MP, and I need 2 variations of file sizes:
1) Constrained to 1800x1800 (Slideshow use)
2) Constrained to 680x480 (Web gallery use)
I currently export a copy of all the images I need as JPEG-Original Size. Then I have two Automator actions that use Photoshop to Fit the image into my dimensions using the interpolation of my choice, and applying two levels of Unsharp Masking.
This gives me a very good quality output, but with quite a bit of work.
I've thought about using Edge Sharpen or Sharpen in Aperture, however it would be difficult (and probably just as a pain) to set the sharpen each time I output a different resolution.
Does anybody know of a good workflow to output images from Aperture directly and have them sharpened for various intended outputs? (e.g. screen, web, print)
I haven't done extensive printing in Aperture, but I'm assuming the same would apply to prints of various sizes of prints too.

But is there any simple way aside from clicking on each version with the cloning stamp to apply the sharpening preset?
1. Select one image and apply the sharpening preset.
2. Deselect that image and select all of the other images you want to apply the sharpening adjustment to.
3. Click on the Lift Icon in the toolbar, then click on the image (with the Lift Up Arrow) you applied the sharpening to in Step 1.
4. Go to the Lift & Stamp HUD and uncheck all of the check boxes except Adjustments.
5. Also, in the Lift & Stamp HUD, click on the disclosure triangle next to Adjustments to see what adjustments you lifted from the image.
6. If you see other Adjustments besides your sharpening adjustment that you do not want to apply to your other images. click on the unwanted adjustment(s) and press the delete key. This will delete the unwanted adjustments and you will be left only with your sharpening adjustment.
7. Now click on the button on the lower right of the Lift & Stamp HUD that says "Stamp Selected Images."
This sounds like a lot of steps, but it is really quite simple once you've done it a few times.
- Karen

Auto-import Presets

I searched the forum(s) for this request but didn't find anything that seemed relevant, so here goes (and my apologies if this has been requested before or is already available through some option I missed): I use auto-import all the time -- it's a standard part of my workflow for new images from my cameras, whether tethered or not. To cope with the half dozen or so different scenarios and situations that are repeatedly part of those workflows, I'd like to be able to have a pull-down list of named auto-import presets under the auto-import preferences dialog. This would cover things like location the imported files are moved to, canned metadata to be applied, processing, etc. in named configurations.
Not a huge deal, but it'd certainly make my life somewhat easier and less error-prone while out in the field....

I second that. Plus an option just to watch a folder, instead of auto-copy only

Why Process 2003 when using Lightroom-Preset on Import?

Hi,
When I choose one of the predefined sharpening presets ("Sharpening - Narrow Edges (Scenic)" or "Sharpening - Wide Edges (Faces)") on import, then my process version gets set to 2003. When I choose "None" for the preset, then the process is 2010. When I choose one of these presets after import then the process remains at 2010. I did not try other presets yet. This seems to be independent from the catalog, I also tried this in a newly created catalog.
Since these presets are predefined I cannot even update them with the new process version.
Does anybody have the same experience? Seems like a bug to me.
Thanks, Robert

the-ninth7 wrote:
Hi,
When I choose one of the predefined sharpening presets ("Sharpening - Narrow Edges (Scenic)" or "Sharpening - Wide Edges (Faces)") on import, then my process version gets set to 2003. When I choose "None" for the preset, then the process is 2010. When I choose one of these presets after import then the process remains at 2010. I did not try other presets yet. This seems to be independent from the catalog, I also tried this in a newly created catalog.
Since these presets are predefined I cannot even update them with the new process version.
Does anybody have the same experience? Seems like a bug to me.
Thanks, Robert
LR 3.3 says this bug is fixed!
Bob Frost

Naming of Sharpening Presets

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