Openbox and borders

Hey guys, I am trying to set windows up in Openbox to have borders without decorations - I cant seem to get it to work though. The settings I've adjusted suggest it should work but for some reason the borders still dont work without decor.
I've set up urxvt to start without decorations, and thats fine. The <keepborder> option in rc.xml is set to "yes".
Is there something else I'm missing?
Also for some reason when I set firefox in the applications section of rc.xml to start without decor it still loads them, is there a secific problem with firefox that prevents this option from working? All the other applications load without decor

Works fine here, the only thing that is (slightly) annoying me is that the windows leave a small space on the bottom of the screen, more or less of the size the titlebar used to be.
The most relevant parts in my rc.xml:
<keepBorder>yes</keepBorder>
<animateIconify>no</animateIconify>
<font place="ActiveWindow">
<name>Source Sans Pro</name>
<size>1</size>
<!-- font size in points -->
<weight>Bold</weight>
<!-- 'bold' or 'normal' -->
<slant>Normal</slant>
<!-- 'italic' or 'normal' -->
</font>
<font place="InactiveWindow">
<name>Source Sans Pro</name>
<size>1</size>
<!-- font size in points -->
<weight>Normal</weight>
<!-- 'bold' or 'normal' -->
<slant>Normal</slant>
<!-- 'italic' or 'normal' -->
</font>
<application type="normal">
<decor>no</decor>
</application>
<application type="dialog">
<decor>no</decor>
</application>

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