OSX Tiger to Leopard upgrade

My dad has a 'vintage' iMac G5 PPC which is running OSX 10.5.8 (leopard). It has steadily got worse over the years to the point now where it is crawling, and constantly displays the spinning ball.
After trying various fixes to no avail I've decided to format the hard drive and re-install the OS, however, he only has the original system restore discs for Tiger, having upgraded to Leopard with a family upgrade disc which he no longer has. Apple wont help, other than to offer a full system disc for £££'s. I've exhaustively searched ebay for anyone selling a Leopard upgrade disc but had no luck.
Can anyone else suggest a solution? (and he can't afford to replace the machine! )
Many thanks in advance
Alex

Very Important, how much Free Space is on your Hard Drive first of all? Click on the Macintosh HD on the Desktop, then do a Get Info on it.
One way to test is to Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, Test for slow action in Safe Mode...
PS. Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive
Reboot, test again.
If it only does it in Regular Boot, then it could be some hardware problem like Video card, (Quartz is turned off in Safe Mode), or Airport in 10.4 & below, or 3rd party add-on, Check System Preferences>Accounts>Login Items window to see if it or something relevant is listed.
Check the System Preferences>Other Row, for 3rd party Pref Panes.
Also look in these if they exist, some are invisible...
/private/var/run/StartupItems
/Library/StartupItems
/System/Library/StartupItems
/System/Library/LaunchDaemons
/Library/LaunchDaemons

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OK. A quick update.
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nerowolfe wrote:
fenderltd wrote:
I would like to go back to Tiger and was wondering how to uninstall the Leopard upgrade without having to do a full reformat. Is this possible? Thanks in advance!
First, welcome to the Apple boards.
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