Partitioning a Hardware RAID

OK, I have already searched the net to no avail, im hoping someone here will be able to help me.
I currently have an external 300gb HD with 2 partitions, one is a bootable backup and the other is storage. I have recently realized that if this drive were to fail I would lose a ton of important data. I therefore have decided to create a raid setup. I am considering purchasing a Buffalo DriveStation Duo with 2 500GB drives in it. I would set this up in a RAID 1 array so I will have 500gb of usable space with a constant mirror image backup. My question is, can I partion the RAID into 2 partitions (as I have now with my 300 gb drive) one for a bootable backup and one for storage and still maintain the mirroring. In essence I want to have 1 drive with 2 partitions on it, and have the drive still be mirrored to the second drive.
First-Is this possible?
Second-Will I still be able to boot from the boot partition?
Three-If so, can having more than one partition on a raid create problems, such as increased disk failure, slower speeds, etc?
Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me with this!

I'd say you want separate partitions for atleast /, /usr,/opt, and /var. Probably one for /home, too. I'd definately isolate the filessytem where all of the work will occur onto it's own partition to reduce fragmentation on the others.

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    I'm really am impressed with CS5 .. it would be even better with some adjustments .. but I am absolutely disappointed with sluggish performance on my top-of-the-line Mac Pro 12 Core.
    This is not what I expected for a $8,000 machine.
    Some users says that the port of CS5 for the Mac has taken a back seat to the Windows version at Adobe.
    I can't imagine that Adobe would not put 100% effort into Mac products.
    Go Team!!!

    I have a 2009 Mac Pro 3.33GHz Quad core w/ Apple RAID card, 16GB RAM from OWC, and Apple's Radeon HD 5870 GPU.
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    This seems to work wonderfully. I built this system specifically to edit a feature film shot on P2 DVCProHD, and I've been impressed with how it handles it. This was all built prior to CS5, which took me by surprise. Had I known nVidia would become such a problem for Apple, I would have built a PC, but that's another story.
    I just started a new project in CS5 on the same system, this time using H.264 video from my Nikon D7000, and so far, it seems to play just as nicely, despite not having hardware acceleration via CUDA technology. Yellow bars on top, even. I haven't had any problems with clips taking a long time to populate on the timeline or any of that, so perhaps the RAID card helps there.
    All this aside, I've already decided to upgrade my RAID for another reason. Right now, my backup is performed via an eSATA-connected external drive through a PCI eSATA card. After every edit session, I dump everything on the RAID onto the external drive, and it goes much faster than the old FW800 transfer used to. I'm about to replace my Apple RAID card with an Areca card and set up a 4-bay RAID 3 via an SAS connection. This will allow for excellent data throughput while offering more security than my current RAID 0 / manual backup system, and free up the internal drives for backups, exports and render files.
    I believe in hardware RAID, but I'm not as knowledgeable as Harm and others are about it. I had my Mac built to order with the Apple RAID card, so I have no experience using Premiere with a software RAID. Due to my smooth experience using it, I think it was worth it, but plenty of people say the Apple RAID card is rubbish, and to go with Areca or Atto cards. I didn't know about them until after I built my system, and even though it will cost a couple thousand to upgrade my RAID from this point, I expect to have an even better system than I already have.
    I hope this helps, and feel free to ask any questions I didn't address.

  • My hardware RAID 1 only showing up in disk utility and not finder.

    Last week I finally was able to take my early 2011 iMac in to have my Seagate 1TB hard drive replaced for the recall.
    Late 2010 model iMac
    OS X 10.6.8
    OWC Mercury Elite Pro 4TB x 4TB Hardware RAID
    When I took it in the RAID 1 was working just fine. When I finally got the iMac back and booted everything up the RAID 1 was getting the dialog box that read "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer."
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    Thanks!!!!

    So a fault in the Hardware Raid controller could make it not read properly? I am planning on having a good backup set up after this!
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  • Systemd-fsck complains that my hardware raid is in use and fail init

    Hi all,
    I have a hardware raid of two sdd drives. It seems to be properly recongnized everywhere and I can mount it manually and use it without any problem. The issue is that when I add it to the /etc/fstab My system do not start anymore cleanly.
    I get the following error( part of the journalctl messages) :
    Jan 12 17:16:21 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd[1]: Found device /dev/md126p1.
    Jan 12 17:16:21 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd[1]: Starting File System Check on /dev/md126p1...
    Jan 12 17:16:21 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd-fsck[523]: /dev/md126p1 is in use. <--------------------- THIS ERROR
    Jan 12 17:16:21 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd-fsck[523]: e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.<----------- THIS ERROR
    Jan 12 17:16:21 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd-fsck[523]: fsck failed with error code 8.
    Jan 12 17:16:21 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd-fsck[523]: Ignoring error.
    Jan 12 17:16:22 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd[1]: Started File System Check on /dev/md126p1.
    Jan 12 17:16:22 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd[1]: Mounting /home1...
    Jan 12 17:16:22 biophys02.phys.tut.fi mount[530]: mount: /dev/md126p1 is already mounted or /home1 busy
    Jan 12 17:16:22 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd[1]: home1.mount mount process exited, code=exited status=32
    Jan 12 17:16:22 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd[1]: Failed to mount /home1.
    Jan 12 17:16:22 biophys02.phys.tut.fi systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Local File Systems.
    Does anybody undersand what is going on. Who is mounting the  /dev/md126p1 previous the systemd-fsck. This is my /etc/fstab:
    # /etc/fstab: static file system information
    # <file system> <dir> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
    # /dev/sda1
    UUID=4d9f4374-fe4e-4606-8ee9-53bc410b74b9 / ext4 rw,relatime,data=ordered 0 1
    #home raid 0
    /dev/md126p1 /home1 ext4 rw,relatime,data=ordered 0 1
    The issue is that after the error I'm droped to the emergency mode console and just pressing cantrol+D to continues boots the system and the mount point seems okay. This is the output of 'system show home1.mount':
    Id=home1.mount
    Names=home1.mount
    Requires=systemd-journald.socket [email protected] -.mount
    Wants=local-fs-pre.target
    BindsTo=dev-md126p1.device
    RequiredBy=local-fs.target
    WantedBy=dev-md126p1.device
    Conflicts=umount.target
    Before=umount.target local-fs.target
    After=local-fs-pre.target systemd-journald.socket dev-md126p1.device [email protected] -.mount
    Description=/home1
    LoadState=loaded
    ActiveState=active
    SubState=mounted
    FragmentPath=/run/systemd/generator/home1.mount
    SourcePath=/etc/fstab
    InactiveExitTimestamp=Sat, 2013-01-12 17:18:27 EET
    InactiveExitTimestampMonotonic=130570087
    ActiveEnterTimestamp=Sat, 2013-01-12 17:18:27 EET
    ActiveEnterTimestampMonotonic=130631572
    ActiveExitTimestampMonotonic=0
    InactiveEnterTimestamp=Sat, 2013-01-12 17:16:22 EET
    InactiveEnterTimestampMonotonic=4976341
    CanStart=yes
    CanStop=yes
    CanReload=yes
    CanIsolate=no
    StopWhenUnneeded=no
    RefuseManualStart=no
    RefuseManualStop=no
    AllowIsolate=no
    DefaultDependencies=no
    OnFailureIsolate=no
    IgnoreOnIsolate=yes
    IgnoreOnSnapshot=no
    DefaultControlGroup=name=systemd:/system/home1.mount
    ControlGroup=cpu:/system/home1.mount name=systemd:/system/home1.mount
    NeedDaemonReload=no
    JobTimeoutUSec=0
    ConditionTimestamp=Sat, 2013-01-12 17:18:27 EET
    ConditionTimestampMonotonic=130543582
    ConditionResult=yes
    Where=/home1
    What=/dev/md126p1
    Options=rw,relatime,rw,stripe=64,data=ordered
    Type=ext4
    TimeoutUSec=1min 30s
    ExecMount={ path=/bin/mount ; argv[]=/bin/mount /dev/md126p1 /home1 -t ext4 -o rw,relatime,data=ordered ; ignore_errors=no ; start_time=[Sat, 2013-01-12 17:18:27 EET] ; stop_time=[Sat, 2013-
    ControlPID=0
    DirectoryMode=0755
    Result=success
    UMask=0022
    LimitCPU=18446744073709551615
    LimitFSIZE=18446744073709551615
    LimitDATA=18446744073709551615
    LimitSTACK=18446744073709551615
    LimitCORE=18446744073709551615
    LimitRSS=18446744073709551615
    LimitNOFILE=4096
    LimitAS=18446744073709551615
    LimitNPROC=1031306
    LimitMEMLOCK=65536
    LimitLOCKS=18446744073709551615
    LimitSIGPENDING=1031306
    LimitMSGQUEUE=819200
    LimitNICE=0
    LimitRTPRIO=0
    LimitRTTIME=18446744073709551615
    OOMScoreAdjust=0
    Nice=0
    IOScheduling=0
    CPUSchedulingPolicy=0
    CPUSchedulingPriority=0
    TimerSlackNSec=50000
    CPUSchedulingResetOnFork=no
    NonBlocking=no
    StandardInput=null
    StandardOutput=journal
    StandardError=inherit
    TTYReset=no
    TTYVHangup=no
    TTYVTDisallocate=no
    SyslogPriority=30
    SyslogLevelPrefix=yes
    SecureBits=0
    CapabilityBoundingSet=18446744073709551615
    MountFlags=0
    PrivateTmp=no
    PrivateNetwork=no
    SameProcessGroup=yes
    ControlGroupModify=no
    ControlGroupPersistent=no
    IgnoreSIGPIPE=yes
    NoNewPrivileges=no
    KillMode=control-group
    KillSignal=15
    SendSIGKILL=yes
    Last edited by hseara (2013-01-13 19:31:00)

    Hi Hatter, I'm a little confused about your statement not to use raid right now. I'm new to the Mac, awaiting the imminent delivery of my first Mac Pro Quad core with 1tb RAID10 setup. As far as I know, it's software raid, not the raid card (pricey!). My past understanding about raid10 on any system is that it offers you the best combination for speed and safety (backups) since the drives are a striped and mirrored, one drive dies, quick replacement and you're up and running a ton quicker than if you had gone RAID5 (20 mins writes per 5G data?)Or were you suggesting not to do raid with the raid card..?
    I do plan to use an external drive for archival backups of settings, setups etc, because as we all know, if the best fool proof plans can be kicked in the knees by Murhpy.
    My rig is destined to be my video editing machine so the combo of Quad core, 4G+ memory and Raid10 should make this quite the machine.. but I'm curious why you wouldn't suggest raid..
    And if you could explain this one: I see in the forums a lot of people are running Bootcamp Parralels(sp) which I assume is what you use to run mulitple OS on your Mac systems so that you can run MacOS and Windblows on the same machine.. but why is everyone leaning towards Vista when thems of us on Windblows are trying to avoid it like the plague? I've already dumped Vista from two PCs and installed XP for a quicker less bloated PC. Is vista the only MSOS that will co-exist with Mac systems? Just curious..
    Thanks in advance.. Good Holidays

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