PowerBook G3 Wallstreet/PDQ battery pinout

I recently got a nice 266Mhz PDQ off of ebay for $150 USD but it did not come with a battery (though it did come with a Duo power adapter :P ), and because I am unwilling to pay $100-$150 for a battery I was thinking that I might be able to rig up a battery pack or two of my own and strap 'em to the outside of the case with just the wires running to the battery terminals so I could use both of my expansion bays for drives.
Now, problem is, I don't have a dead battery to disembowel and I also don't have any info on the pinout of the connector. I have done quite a bit of searching for the pinout info but I can't seem to find it.
Do any of you know where I might be able to find the pinout or a dead battery?

Thanks Niel. So, you are saying that I will be able to boot in Classic while in OS 10.2 and no partition is neccesary? Sorry, I feel kind of dumb about this. I was imagining if I installed OS X over OS 9 it would just eliminate OS 9. I'm not familiar with swithching to Classic.

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