Premiere Pro CC multi camera sync

I have a problem here: When trying to create a multi-camera-source file. I have two cameras, with audio from the camera and a .wav file from my zoom recorder. The .wav file has been adjusted in Audition CS6
Premiere pro cc sync's all the camera audio and video just fine, it creates a multi-camera-source nested file , but the .wav file from my zoom is out of sync despite there being a 'very' audible hand-clap on all the tracks ...
This would be a great feature if it worked.
Any ideas why this might happen and any ideas for solutions.

HI Mark,
Hope you don't mind me bringing this up here but I also had an issue with Syncing clips with new multicam feature. Mine was slightly different though in that often we film with two cameras and a Zoom H4N recording audio.
Often we will stop and start the cameras but then sync using audio waveform with the always recording zoom H4N. In Plural Eyes this would sync great and all the camera shots would stay in one video track in the timeline (i.e. the one assigned to that camera). However, using Adobe Sync option it made a new video track for each shot from each camera!! I had about 40 new video tracks to sort through and the sync hadn't worked.
Is there a way to enable all the shots from one camera to stay on the one track when syncing via Adobe?
Cheers for any help.
Best wishes,
Alex

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