Profit Centers & Customer Project

Hi Experts
I have a question in regards to profit center. I have a customer who has multiple org unit each been a profit center & cost center. Within each org unit there are a number of employee. Employees are attached to labor resource rates
If you create a customer project which requires the services of multiple employee across the organisation will the revenue and cost generated by the employee (though time confirmation against a project task ) be attributed to the employees org unit?
Org unit 1 = Person A Senior Consultant cost rate 100 Hr, Revenue Rate 200 Hr
Org unit 2 = Person B Journo Consultant cost rate 80 Hr, Revenue Rate 150 Hr
Thank you for your help in advance

Hi Dan,
Thanks for the response. The following is the what I can see in the system - based on the default settings as I havent made any changes:
Customer Project:
1.Timesheet hours get valuated and costs show up under 'Internal Services' and 'Deferred COGS'.
2. After Revenue Recognition, the costs get moved out of 'Deferred COGS' and and reversed against the original 'Internal Services'.
The above results in an equal debit and credit to 'Internal Services' so the Financial Statements have a net zero balance for this.
I was advised the following:
1. The above treatment is correct because timesheet allocations are not 'actual' costs and are only there to show up on Project Reports to show standard costs.
2. The actual 'labour costs' would only show up following a payroll journal.
I am not convinced with the advice provided as I would like to see the standard costs on the Income Statement - which I would then net against the payroll journal and account for the difference in a 'recovery' account.
I think your suggestion about the 'offset' and 'expense' account netting themselves may explain the situation, but I dont know how to fix this.

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I'm through with configuration of cost centers in our company, now I'm due to configure the profit centers. One point is, in our sister concern, they have copied all the cost centers and configured the profit centers on the same logic.
could anyone suggest me on how to do this, if there is any copy procedure and what would be the effects of copying the cost centers and configuring profit centers with the same number.
say if a cost center exists like: 402010 which is mumbai manufacturing, can I have the profit center with the same number 402010 for mumbai manufacturing, and what would be the effect of doing so.
And can I copy the variances cost centers as well to make variances profit centers
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Please go through the IMG settings, after you get an idea from the below info
The master data includes the master records for the individual profit centers, as well as the corresponding standard hierarchy and alternative profit center groups.
Your companys standard profit center hierarchy may somewhat resemble the cost center hierarchy. Consequently, Profit Center Accounting provides a function which lets you copy the entire cost center hierarchy to the profit center hierarchy (see Customizing). You can then change the profit center hierarchy with the normal maintenance transactions to meet your requirements in Profit Center Accounting.
It is also possible to create account groups that are valid only for Profit Center Accounting. These account groups help you structure your information system to better meet your requirements.
It is possible to copy the cost and revenue element groups used in Cost Center Accounting (CO‑CCA) or the balance sheet account groups used in Financial Accounting (FI) to Profit Center Accounting, and then change them in EC-PCA to meet your requirements.
You can also maintain FI accounts and CO cost/revenue elements from the Profit Center Accounting application menu. However, these are not originally master data for Profit Center Accounting. On the contrary, the integration of the SAP system makes it possible for you to access the FI and CO master data directly.
The assignments of all profit‑relevant objects to profit centers play an important role. These determine how your business is divided up into areas of responsibility. You make these assignments in the master data of the original objects (materials, cost centers, orders, projects, sales orders, assets, cost objects, profitability segments).
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Budget Setup By Profit Centers

Budget Setup By Profit Centers
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Partial Solution
Theirs can't create Budget Scenarios by Profits Center, but this is not functional when the customer have many profit center.
Ideal Solution
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I have a scenerrio on dummy profit center
1. On Augst 2006 -- A customer invoice has been posted using FB70 and some how the customer account line item when to dummy profit center and other line items were posted to a the correct profit center.
2. On August 2006 -- Due to this business reversed original customer invoice using FB08 which again has customer account line item when to dummy profit center and other line items were posted to the correct profit center.
Origianl Invoice: Customer XYZ Ltd - GL 130024 ( Customer Reconciliation Account)--- Dummy profit Center -- Dr. 235,000 USD
Reversal : Customer XYZ Ltd - GL 130024 (Customer Reconciliation Account) -- Dummy profit center -- Cr. 235,000 USD
This is want we want and this is want we see in our FI entries and all are with the same posting dates.
Now some how when you look at KE5Z (Profit Center line items report) for dummy profit centers even today.
1. You see the original customer invoice showing dummy profit center on the customer account line item as Dr. 235,000 on GL 130024.
2. You see the reversal customer invoice showing correct profit center on the other line items and you dont see customer account line item that is GL130024 on this document.
3. Because of which dummy profit center is showing Dr.balance.
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No negative impact.. It is very much possible and logical
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I have a few doubts about the need of EC-PCA in a project where COPA is being implemented.
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However he is unable to assign materials to only one profit center (which would be production departaments in this case). Different Finished goods, semi finished goods, wares and services can be assigned to more than one production departament. (a material index cannot be assigned to only one PC in this case).
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Karol W

Dear Karol,
Here the some infirmation is about Profit center related and cost center.hope this infirmation will helps you
You would need check the design of PCA and what the business wants to use PCA for. For example do you want to produce P&L Statements and or Balance Sheets by Profit centers etc.
In terms of the cost center assignment to profit centers, the main use of this is to ensure that all costs posted to a cost center will be simultaneously posted to the assigned Profit center. Now in PCA configuration you have to create a "Dummy Profit Center", the consequence of this is that if a profit center cannot be derived (for example if you do not maintain a profit center in the material master) or from the cost center or a profit center is not entered in a posting, the entry will be automatically posted to the "Dummy" profit center.
In terms of design, we are faced, in certain circumstances when we design PCA along the product lines for example, what to do with certain postings such as bank charges or admin costs, which are not directly attributable to the product line.
One way to treat these, is to Create a "Corporate" or "ADMIN" Profit center and assign all the service cost centers to this Profit center and at month end re-allocate to the Product Line Profit center via Distribution or Assessment for example based on sales volume or fixed amounts or percetntages or SKF's to make the reporting more meaningful
create additional profit centers and assign all admn, IT other than production cost centers to either Common, Admin or Corporate profit centers. Suggest you create following non product cost centers
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2) Admin
3) Product Common
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In MM master records assign product related profit centers to RM and FG / SFG material types. This takes care from material accounting point of view in PCA
For transfer of costs collected in Non Product related profit centers proceed as follows
1) Create PCA assessment Cycles
2) At month end allocate these expenses and check cost in non product profit centers is zero.
3) Decide on the allocation basis
4) This ensures that you have PCA wise all P&L items accounted.
5) You can then design PCA wise report painter reports for PCA wise P&L
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Or
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is there a possiblity that profit center can be derived based on the customer?
rquirement is .. profit centers are divided geographically, they have only one revenue account . and based on the customer we can tell to which profit center that revenue line item is to be posted. how can we achive this in the SAP.
in 3kei i am seeing GL account but not customer. is there any other way
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thanks in advance
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Now our requirement is when we transfer payable to receivable it should debit and credit the sender and receiver profit centers, which is not happening now and because of this credit control area receivables is also not reduced though we have option to enter the Credit Control Area while using T Code F-51.
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Regards
Chandru

Step1: Define your Distribution cycle in t.code: 4ke1
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Dear,
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My client has nearly 30 profit Centers (Each product/line) and final product of one profit center sya X is an in put of production process of another profit center say Y.
Here problem is that Profit Center X wanted to claim some internal profit margine on Profit Center Y because it supplying materials and Profit Center X want to treat Y as an External customer.
Friends, this profit is shown in internal reports only (Profit center wise P & L Account) and it cannot appeared in Financial Statement. How this can be configured in the system? Please help me
Thank you

Hello Dasu,
This situation is not unique to your client, but universal to enterprise operating with two or more company codes / business lines / products.
Recording inter-profit centre transactions at sales price is not that easy; however with the standard functionalities this can be achieved. SAP system has provided various functionalities with the combination of currency and valuation which is more commonly known as u201CTransfer Pricing or Multiple Valuation Approachesu201D.
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/eb/13811243c411d1896f0000e8322d00/frameset.htm
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Enjoy SAP!
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Dear friends,
My client has nearly 30 profit Centers (Each product/line) and final product of one profit center sya X is an in put of production process of another profit center say Y.
Here problem is that Profit Center X wanted to claim some internal profit margine on Profit Center Y because it supplying materials and Profit Center X want to treat Y as an External customer.
Friends, this profit is only shown in internal reports only (Profit center wise P & L Account) and it cannot appeared in Financial Statement. How this can be configured in the system? Please help me
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Hello Dasu,
This situation is not unique to your client, but universal to enterprise operating with two or more company codes / business lines / products.
Recording inter-profit centre transactions at sales price is not that easy; however with the standard functionalities this can be achieved. SAP system has provided various functionalities with the combination of currency and valuation which is more commonly known as u201CTransfer Pricing or Multiple Valuation Approachesu201D.
You define your currency and valuation profiles in Customizing under Controlling  Controlling General  Multiple Valuation Methods/Transfer Prices  Basic Settings  Maintain currency and valuation profile.
You assign the currency and valuation profile in Customizing under Controlling  Controlling General  Multiple Valuation Methods/Transfer Prices  Basic Settings  Assign profile to controlling area.
You activate the profile under Controlling  Controlling General  Multiple Valuation Methods/Transfer Prices  Activation  Activate multiple valuation approaches
For more information, you may refer to
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/eb/13811243c411d1896f0000e8322d00/frameset.htm
This functionality is very powerful and interesting.
I hope you can enjoy with this.
Enjoy SAP!
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Thanks for your interest.
The requirement is based on the following objectives:
1) Reductiion in the number of plants
2) This is required coz a stock may be lying at a particular location (plant) which can serve as a common stock for all Business units (Profit Centers). Since it is in the same plant, there will be no requirement for stock trf. (goods issue & goods receipt) But then it should facilitate assignment of the profit centers. I strongly believe that could be easily dealt with sales order related production (MTO) through substitution rules but I have doubts about MTS coz i cant find any substitution rules configs.
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