ProRes 720p60 to DVD

First thing let me say I have read many many posts on how to do this, but I never get good results using some of the ideas. Please, no "Google is your friend" - believe me, I have looked.
I am starting on a 9 camera multicam job that was all recorded using Ki Pros to 720p60. At this job we had a line cut recording to a Ki Pro set to 720p60 and another Ki Pro using its built in SD downconversion to ProRes HQ. The SD footage from the Ki Pro's downconversion looks great on DVD. I would like to downconvert all of the HD footage that was shot onsite to an SD ProRes HQ for editing. However, I simply cannot get my downconverted footage to look nearly as good as what the Ki Pro recorded.
What is the proper way to convert my 720p60 files to an SD ProRes HQ file for editing? The final product will be on DVD.
Another option (that I would prefer) is to edit the job using all of the original 720p60 footage. In my testing I haven't been happy with the final output from this - it seems somewhat "choppy" on the DVD. If I could get this to play smoothly I would be happy. I've read that shooting in 60p will give very smooth DVD playback, but I am simply not seeing this.

I have the same problem with 720p 60. And...my timeline stalls with 720p but never a problem with 1080i. I cannot find a solution to this problem. Any insight will be GREATLY appreciated.
Best.
Tom

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The PC does not seem to use all the memory or CPU when rendering. Usually the CPU load is about 20% and the memory used is just about 5GB. I used a USB2.0 HD for the Mac render, so if it was the HD that was causing the bottleneck, the MAC should have been slower. I'm now thinking though that the RedGiant effect could be more optimized for Mac rather than PC, and I'll check this out with them to see if that's the case.
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Let's focus attention on just the Sony. (What model and what resolution are you shooting?)
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Thanks for answering, Tom.
Let me try again, though. (Also, just thinking about the footage, forgetting about effects, titles, etc.)
Do you think that this applies to DV-NTSC and HDV sequences?
I've compared a DV-NTSC sequence exported out using:
DV-NTSC compression and one -using Apple ProRes.
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Many shots have problems, and the only way to get around them is to reframe.
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That is a non-standard sequence setting. SD in NTSC land isn't 16:9. It is 4:3 anamorphic. 720x486...anamorphic (squeezed).
Editing H.264 straight from the camera is wrought with errors. Besides the sluggishness of it, the non-RT playback...exporting has all sorts of issues. Not exporting proper sections of footage, not exporting the full sequence (the tail might get cut off), loss of sync upon export...much more. All of those issues have been mentioned on various FCP forums. H.264 is not a codec FCP 7 deals with well at all.
Converting to ProRes before editing is your only way to ensure vary little issues. And converting to ProRes 422 is recommended. Not HQ...not 4444. Your footage will not see any benefit from those formats, even though they sound more impressive. All you will get is larger files. Heck, since you are going to DVD, ProRes LT would be the optimal choice. Even if you went to BluRay, ProRes LT would be fine for that format. H.264 is an 8-bit format...ProRes LT or 422 will get it to 10-bit, and allow for better grading. But ZERO benefit will be had with HQ or 4444...those are for other uses...with higher end formats.
Not enough space? Get another drive. Internal SATA, if you have a MacPro...are 2TB for under $150. You can get an external 2TB for $200-$300.
3. Yes...use MPEG STREAMCLIP to convert the footage to ProRes. 422 or LT are recommended. Then you can reconnect, but you will need to make a new sequence that is ProRes...not H.264.

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