FCP ProRes Timeline to a SD DVD

This is my first time with an HD workflow, so pardon my basic question. My source material was AVCHD and I brought it into FCP using ProRes. The final product is going to DVD. Since I'm not burning a Blu-ray, is then my Compressor workflow an HD to SD DVD maintaining 16:9?
Any particular compression settings to be aware of?
Thanks.

#42 - Quick and dirty way to author a DVD
Shane's Stock Answer #42 - David Roth Weiss' Secret Quick and Dirty Way to Author a DVD:
The absolute simplest way to make a DVD using FCP and DVDSP is as follows:
1. Export a QT movie, either a reference file or self contained using current settings.
2. Open DVDSP, select the "graphical" tab and you will see two little monitors, one blue, one green.
3. Select the left blue one and hit delete.
4. Now, select the green one, right click on it amd select the top option "first play".
5. Now drag your QT from the broswer and drop it on top of the green monitor.
6. Now, for a DVD from an HD source, look to the right side and select the "general tab" in the track editor, and see the Display Mode, and select "16:9 pan-scan."
7. Hit the little black and yellow burn icon at the top of the page and put a a DVD in when prompted. DVDSP will encode and burn your new DVD.
THATS ALL!!!
NOW...if you want a GOOD LOOKING DVD, instead of taking your REF movie into DVD SP, instead take it into Compressor and choose the BEST QUALITY ENCODE (2 pass VBR) that matches your show timing. Then take THAT result into DVD SP and follow the rest of the steps. Except you can choose "16:9 LETTERBOX" instead of PAN & SCAN if you want to see the entire image.
Shane

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I am trying to burn a .mov file from fcp xpress timeline to a dvd. The popup message I receive prior to inserting the dvd is that I need 20.05 gb of space available on dvd (a 1.25 min program). How can I get this program onto a dvd (where the max available gb's for off the shelf dvds-r) shows a max of 8.5gb?. Please help. Thank You!

You have posted your question in the Final Cut Pro X forum. You want to be in this forum instead; https://discussions.apple.com/community/professional_applications/final_cut_expr ess_hd
Good luck.
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AIC in a ProRes timeline=multiple crashes during audio edit

I have three clips in a ProRes 1440x1080i60 sequence. Two were capture into FCP ProRes, the other was captured into iMovie08 1920x1080 AIC.
Curiously, the AIC clip shows up as 1440x1080 in the Properties database.
When rendering the T/L I get an error about the codec not supporting the frame size (??)
I finished the rough cut and now am working on the sound track, adjusting levels and normalizing.
First I separated one camera's stereo channels into two, moving one, copying the other and placing it into the original R channel...FCP crashed.
Next I just muted the R channel and moved the Pan for the L channel to center. Then I was working on levels, adjusting the keyframes, and up popped the twirling beach ball of death.
I sent off the report and tried 'er agin. Same thing--while editing the keyframes and playing back, it hangs, then crashes.
All audio clips report in as 48khz 16bit.
Any ideas?

So, what happened to the idea of a codec agnostic timeline?
BTW, this time, I just restarted and kept saving every few actions and it never crashed. Finally finished the segment.

Export from FCP via QT or Compressor into DVD Studio Pro?

Hi everyone,
I'm editing in FCP and making a menued SD DVD. I've had success in laying out the DVD project.
The source material is low quality and duration overall a few minutes. I'm adding a few supers to the clips.
My question is, will I get better result exporting via compressor or via a QT export (using current settings PAL 25FPS 16:9)?
Thanks in advance.
Steve

what you're doing is actually fine. But, generally, the following workflow is reccommended. It gives you more control if not better quality. Depending on your source (large or small frame size) you can adjust resizing and motion compensation and other parameters:
export as QuickTime using "current settings." bring that resulting QT file into Compressor. Pick the DVD preset closest to the length of your project (e.g. 90 min best). From there you can select the preset in the project and adjust it.

Can I edit on a ProRes timeline containing XDCAM EX footage and DVCPRO?

I have a documentary project of which the majority was shot with the EX-1 at 1080 24p and I have been editing that footage contained in a 1080 24p ProRes (standard quality) timeline. We have some extra interviews that were shot with a Panasonic Varicam at same frame rate and resolution. Will I be able to drag the DVCPRO HD files directly into the ProRes timeline and edit with it and the EX-1 footage?
I assume that whatever footage I insert into the ProRes timeline is being converted to ProRes on the fly. This has worked well with the EX-1 footage. Not sure how it will be with the DVCPRO HD footage...will it be too taxing on the CPU? If it was, I think my fallback option would be to transcode all the DVCPRO HD footage to ProRes using Compressor...and then pull it into the timeline.
If anyone has had experience with this, I would very much like to hear your comments.
Thanks, John

HI Tom, thanks for the reply, I was afraid of that, I did not know you could do limited trimming in the QT PLayer, this might just help me out
Regards
Mark

ProRes timeline/export on mac in Premiere CC

I've posted about this earlier but thought it was worth another try.
Using Premiere CC on a Mac Pro (with Mountain Lion and Quadro 4000 Cuda card) - when in a ProRes timeline (whether it be 422 or LT), and trying to export to ProRes (whether "use preview files" is checked or not), Premiere consistently hangs on export whenever it hits a graphic file (tiff, psd, etc) or a Premiere generated title. If I export into another format (h264, etc) - it exports fine (just takes awhile).
In Premiere CS6, "use previews" never worked with ProRes, but you could still export to ProRes - it just didn't use the preview files. Now with CC, you can't do either - at least not if you are using any graphics files or titles. If you're just using video clips in the timeline, then it works fine (using previews or not). I've tried this on 2 systems and have found other users on these boards as well as the Creative Cow forums that are experiencing the same issues.
Being able to export with previews was perhaps the biggest reason I upgraded to CC, but instead I feel like its taken a step backwards (at least on a Mac in a ProRes environment).
Is anyone from Adobe listening??

Since this is an export problem, you'll probably get more response on the AME forum. At the very least, staff members who visit that forum are more likely to know if this is a known issue.
What are the dimensions of your still images and, for that matter, of the PPRO titles?
If you have GPU acceleration enabled, please try encoding with it switched to Software-only (in Premiere; there's no switch for this in AME.)

Stills look better when using ProRes timeline instead of HDV

I thought I'd share a discovery, and also ask for some advice.
Discovery:
When exporting stills (as PSD files), I exported from an HDV timeline, and I exported from a ProRes HQ 1920x1080 30p timeline (I took the same shots from the HDV timelime and pasted them into the ProRes timeline before exporting).
The HDV exports are not only the incorrect aspect ratio, but have many more "jaggies" than the ProRes export.
The HDV exports also have a slightly higher contrast ratio.
Personally I prefer the look of the ProRes 30p stills.
Now my question: If I edit in the ProRes 30p timeline, will that also improve the look of my video?

Stands to reason. ProRes is a full raster 10-bit I-Frame codec.
HDV is an anamorphic (squeezed) 8-bit GOP codec. ProRes wins.
Good discovery...thanks for sharing.
Shane

Avid segment coming to FCP, HD Prores timeline

Is there a way to get anything off the AVID onto an Apple Prores 422 1080 60i timeline? I've read here about using Avid codecs, but I want to make the AVID material totally FCP-neutral. I don't want to change my timeline. I have no idea how to work in this area. Can it be fully transcoded? Just a six minute piece of media.

Avid can export to a QuickTime .mov file.
Depending which version, maybe even to the ProRes 422 codec.

NTSC video, NTSC Timeline in FCP, my client now needs PAL DVDs....

Can you give me a quick overview of what the best workflow would be to make PAL-compatible DVD's from my NTSC FCP Project?
Much appreciated.

i'll second that ... Graeme's standards conversion filter set provide excellent results that can even rival a high quality hardware conversion
http://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconversion.htm
but if thats not an option:
you can simply create a new empty PAL sequence, copy your NTSC edit into it and then let FCP handle the conversion ... won't be a great result though.
or you if you're going to encode in DVDSP then you can let Compressor handle it, with File >Export >Using Compressor... and then choose a PAL DVD preset ... will be better than FCP but not as good as the Nattress plugin
or you can just export as is and then let iDVD/DVDSP handle it by changing the preferneces to PAL
and I'd agree with Capt'M in that most PAL DVD players can handle NTSC discs these days ... might be worth double checking to see if they could in fact use the original NTSC version

FCP Pro Res Super 16mm -- Compressor -- DVD Studio Pro (Nightmare Workflow Critique)

Hello,
I figured I post here rather than the DVD Studio Pro forum; I've posted on Creative Cow as well but haven't gotten any responses yet.
Before I mention my problem, I'd like to mention that I've tried several types of compression methods and bitrates and unfortunately, my disk still freezes in my player, generally around the same area.
(I have two, minute long clips with Smoothcam there).
I'll try to be as specific about my work-flow as I can and I've posted the photos of my FCP and Compressor settings below.
30 Minutes. Super 16mm.
2K DPX Scans -- > Graded In Color --> Pro Res 4444 23.976 --> Sent To Compressor --> Mpeg 2 + AC3 --> Build & Format With DVD Studio Pro
I set blue compression markers at the start of each Smoothcam clip.
I've recompressed my footage without Smoothcam as well - with the same end result.
I've sent my timeline to Compressor and used both the 5.5-7 VBR setting and the 6.5 CBR settings (with everything under Frame Controls set to the highest quality).
(I've also used the 6.2-7.7 built in settings with the ninety-minute high quality preset).
I am using Sony DVD-R disks. 16X/1X. When I play them in my PS3, the film freezes at different points in the first two-three minutes - then skips ahead exactly to the same point in my film - about halfway.
I've set Chapter markers and it skips to the halfway one; from there it plays fine.
1. I wanted to ask if I should maybe export my entire sequence first through FCP (an .mov file) and try Compressing that?
(I've done this and the result is still the same)
2. Should I set it to Pro Res 422 HQ first?
(I've done this and the result is still the same)
3. Perhaps I should just try to Compressor with the 90Min-HQ setting without changing anything?
(I've done this and the result is still the same)
4. Should I remove the Smoothcam?
I'm currently compressing the entire sequence void of all Smoothcam.
When I bring the files into DVD Studio Pro, I see under preferences that Studio Pro also has VBR settings. Do those have any effect on my DVD encode? There is no CBR there - only VBR set from 5.5-7.
5. Is there anything I'm doing wrong with regards to my workflow? There are several options that may be causing this; I'm not sure if its the progressive footage to interlaced standard definition disk, or modifying field dominance, gop structure, etc.
Any help would be greatly (that's greatly) appreciated.
Thanks!
-Boris

My first impression is you're trying to make this too hard...
You have a high quality timeline which is downconverted to 1080, no problem. Once rendered, SmoothCam
should not represent a problem. If anything, SmoothCam will reduce the sudden movement that can cause problems. Any scenes where you have a high rate of change per frame (like in an explosion or a background of leaves flapping in the wind) should be marked with compression markers.
Export as a QT movie using sequence settings (include markers for DVDSP) so you have a completed source file for compression. I'm not aware of anything that will improve the quality beyond what is in the timeline, so current sequence settings are fine. Test this for playback issues.
If you are having playback problems with the sequence after export and compression, the most probable cause is excessively high bandwidth requirements. Try using the DVD: Best Quality 90 minutes preset. It generally produces a very good quality product. Any attempt to increase the quality will likely increase the bandwidth requirements that are the probable cause of the skipping.
While Sony is a big name, their DVD substrate is only mediocre. If you think the substrate is a problem, switch to Verbatim or JVC/Taiyo-Yuden.
If you are dissatisfied with the quality of the Compressor output, look into the Cinema Craft encoding products.
Hope this helps.

Using AIC in ProRes timeline

I currently edit a lot of videos - mixing high quality original footage with found low quality clips from the web. I edit in ProRes, but for the sake of storage space, would it hurt much to convert the low quality web clips to AIC instead of ProRes and use them in the timeline? Even when I use ProRes, I encode at the resolution of the source clip, so it has to be rendered in FCP anyway. Just curious what your thoughts are about this. Thanks!

I think they are basically the same sort of idea.
AIC was the original and ProRes is the "new improved" version though I've never noticed any difference in quality.
Of course, that doesn't mean that others with more specialised eyes and requirements can't see vast improvements.

Color 1.0.4 FCP= Corrupt timeline??

Ever since the Color 1.0.4 / 2008-005 update, I'm finding that every time I export my sequence back to Final Cut Pro from Color, The video clips are completely distorted beyond all recognition in the newly created color timeline. All that you can see is a blur or color stripes that once made up the video image. This was happening to every single clip on the timeline.
The wireframe borders seem to go on forever in the north & south direction. I attempted to try to grab the frames to resize them back to normal. But after a few minutes of dragging on my first clip, I never made it to the top of the image....
The workaround I figured out is that I have to reveal all the color-rendered files from finder, import into my FCP file browser, and then from there drag them into the timeline again. They now will appear fine. I tried this when looking at the source clips in QuickTIme displayed properly. So i think the problem lies within the XML tradeoff??
Needless to say this really stinks. I tried to download the previous Pro Apps update to revert back to 2008-004. But that direct link off apple's downloads page for FCP shoots you right to the newest update with no archive to be found. The "old" 004 update is nowhere else on the www either.
It would be nice if we could get to archive versions of these updates. Since I haven't seen any other posts on the subject, it leads me to doubt that the update is the cause. But its the last thing I did before working on this project. So It would be great to be able to test it out.
It was time to clock out before I could do any more hunting around.
Just thought I'd throw this out there to see if I'm not the only one. And maybe there's a fix i just couldn't find in the forums.... I did look. Thanks!
10.5.6 FCS2
Mac Pro First Gen 8-Core 3.0GHZ
16GB RAM
ATI Radeon X1900 (Actually the profiler states it as "ATY" lol. )

ScarCrow28 wrote:
Looks as though there is something strange going on with that specific project. haven't quite > figured it out yet. But I think I can rule out the update as the cause.
This is about the smartest thing that has been said here in a while. It's all too common for an user to blame the hardware, blame the software, blame the manufacturer.
I just had a project in DVD SP go belly up the other day. I simply can't figure it out either as the media is still fine. The closest thing I can figure out is it had a problem with an asset file name and what's weirder is that that file name had been totally cool with DVD SP for over 2 weeks. No updates were done on my computer, zilcho, no nothing. But what was also strange is that in those two weeks of no updates or installations, Font Book had found a duplicate font.
Here's another tool for your troubleshooting tool kit, boys and girls; duplicate fonts can bring your machine to a grinding halt. Font Book does a great job of finding this naughty items and punishing them. Open up Font Book, peruse the user guide with a cuppa joe.
At any rate, I'm amazed all the computer mojo works as well as it does. I had a timeline navigation bug in Color 1.0.2 that I couldn't fix for anything. Nothing was said about it on any other board although Mr. Owens could duplicate the same problems. Color 1.0.3 fixed those right up for me and it's been the most stable version of Color that I've experienced.
Sometimes a project goes corrupt for who knows why.

The size of my exported FCP movie is too big for DVD studio pro

Hey,
I have been editing for 4-5 years now and have never had a problem with size of a project to put into DVD Studio Pro to burn. However, I just finished a 2 hour project in which exported as a FCP movie it is 23.97 gb in size. When i put this into DVD Studio Pro it makes it 4.8gb in size which just makes it too big for it to burn. I have tried changing the compression to no avail and just now decided to clean up the timeline so everything is on one track with nothing overlapping. (The problem was it was a 2 camera shoot so the first camera i had on the bottom track constant with the second camera on the top track when i needed it but still with the first camera underneath.) Do you think this could be the solution to my problem? If you guys could help me out it would be most appreciated!

some things don't make sense here. please clarify.
Standard DV is roughly 5 minutes per gig, so that means that you have just about 2 hours of video, ok, got that. Now it's the two track thing that gets me.
Are you saying you have 4 hours of footage, the same thing from two cameras, and you're trying to set up a multi-angle DVD?
If it's just that you used two video tracks to edit, then NO, it is not your problem. It's still only 2 hours, the video will be mixed down to one track upon export from FCP to quicktime.
My suggestion is, instead of bringing a quicktime file directly into DVDSP, use compressor. I believe they have a preset in compressor 2 for a standard 120 minute DVD. IF you're project is truly less than 120 minutes, than that should be fine. If not, then you may have to manually make your own setting and lower the bitrate.
So the workflow is:
-open sequence in fcp
-file>export>quicktime movie... (you can uncheck "make movie self-contained" if you want it to export faster and you plan on keeping your original capture footage around)
-export your movie to a directory of your choice with a name of your choice.
-open compressor (in applications)
-drag the quicktime file you created into compressors main window, this will set it up. Now specify the export setting (120 minute HQ all files either 16x9 or 4x3 dep. on project) and specify a location for the files to be created. I strongly suggest that you use the HQ (High quality) settings in compressor. It's much slower to process, but much better quality.
-with a 2 hour movie it should take a really REALLY long time to compress, so I'de say do it over night.
-when compressor is done, you should have 2 or three files. a .m2v file a .aif file, and a .ac3 file. The .aif is your PCM audio, much better quality than the .ac3, which is dolby 2 channel. However, the .ac3 is a much smaller file with a lower bit rate, so if the .aif makes the DVD file size too big, you can switch it out for the .ac3
-Finally, open up your DVDSP project, drag the .m2v, .aif, and .ac3 into DVDSP and use the .m2v for the video track and either the .aif or .ac3 as the audio (as mentioned above)
-the good news is, your DVD media is already rendered, so when you go to build your DVD it will go much, much faster!
By the way, I recommend you go to file>advanced>build do not do a burn and build.
I find it best to build the VIDEO_TS folder on a hard drive and then use a program like toast to create a DVD (using toasts from VIDEO_TS option). This method also allows you to go back into DVDSP, make tweaks, and reuse your VIDEO_TS folder, not having to rebuild the whole thing each time.
Remember, 120 minutes on a single layer DVD is going to render fairly low quality no matter what.
If you have a newer mac and a dual layer drive, you may want to cough up a few bucks and get a dual layer DVD-R, then you have over 8 gigs of space to work with, perfect for HQ 2 hour footage.

Exporting an Apple ProRes before compressing for SD-DVD or Blu-ray (or AVCH

Hello,
this is my question:
does exporting a sequence to an Apple ProRes Self Contained file helps to gain quality when compressing for SD-DVD or Blu-ray (or AVCH disc)?

Thanks for answering, Tom.
Let me try again, though. (Also, just thinking about the footage, forgetting about effects, titles, etc.)
Do you think that this applies to DV-NTSC and HDV sequences?
I've compared a DV-NTSC sequence exported out using:
DV-NTSC compression and one -using Apple ProRes.
They do look different. Wouldn't you agree to this?
What about HDV,
- is it erroneous to think that (when capturing) by transcoding to AIC or ProRes you are gaining some quality?
- or if you already capture HDV natively, it doesn't make a difference to export an ApplePro Res version to make a SD-DVD from?
I am concerned with this, because I shot once some HDV footage at night with a Sony Camera, going to a hard drive, and when I transcoded the files from the hard drive to use in FCP, (using MPEG streamclip) I noticed a relevant difference in how much the noise was noticeable on the HDV compressed files vs. the apple ProRes compressed files.
Have you ever seen these differences?
Thanks!!!

Flickering or shuddering in FCP videos on line and on DVD

HI,
I have edited a 12 min video in HD on Final Cut Pro, with 1080i HDV on a MacBook Pro. I am trying to put videos on the web with Vimeo and Blip.TV and make a SD DVD on DVD Studio Pro, and so far all the videos flicker, especially in the parts with lots of movement. I have tried deinterlacing, and it does not make a difference. I have tried output into different forms and these all flicker when on blip tv or Vimeo video hosting websites.
Does anyone know what format and exact settings to export these videos from FCP in, and if I should use compressor or not?
I have tried posting a similar question and got no answers, and look on the web for answers and everyone seems to have a different answer. I need to finish this project asap and this final step is really holding me up.
Thanks for your help!

Oh yeah, the video is HDV 1080i. But my final output needs to be in SD. I tried cutting and pasting the movie into a new SD timeline, but every clip needs to be resized, that would take forever!

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