Questions re keywords filtering

Is it possible to filter on multiple keywords from the keyword panel. I know that you can click the arrow to the right of the keyword to see all those files but is there a way to select more than one keyword at a time from the list instead of using text filter pane? I find that if you have a lot of keywords, you may not remember all the pertinent ones so it's better to pick them off a list than trying to type them even with auto complete.
Yes, you do this in the Filter Bar (in Grid Mode, View->Filter Bar, or press backslash), then click on Metadata and you can select, in each column if you desire, a keyword to filter on. For example, in column 1 I select keyword Churches, and in column 2 I select Buffalo. If column 2 doesn't show your keywords, you can select it via the little up down arrows next to the column heading.
Is there any NOT function in keyword search. ex find a photo that has A,B & C but NOT D?
In the Filter Bar, select Text, then use the ! (exclamation point) to indicate NOT. So if I type Churches !Buffalo, I get all of my photos with keyword Churches, that are not in Buffalo.
Not a filtering question but how can keywords be embedded in the image file without doing an export? For example if I want to access photos with different catalogue but still have the keywords intact or if my catalogue becomes corrupt and I have to re import the files?
You don't normally want more than one catalog, and if you do, you almost certainly wouldn't put the same photo in more than one catalog. This defeats the entire purpose of using a database like Lightroom to help you find your photos.
Furthermore, I want you to never ever again think about re-importing photos. That's "never ever", a very strong phrase. If your catalog becomes corrupt, you restore it from a recent backup, not by re-importing photos. Why? Because there is information in your catalog that can never be written to your photos. This means that you need to begin (if you are not doing so already) a process of making regular backups of your catalog file and photos. Backing up the catalog file is done via Edit->Catalog Settings->General->Backup. You use 3rd party tools to create backups of your photos.

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Keyword filtering

Keyword filtering in Adobe Bridge
I'm a graphic designer trying to find a good system for sorting and browsing my stock images. I figured I'd use bridge since I've already got it as a part of CS3.
Applying keywords is no problem, but I run into roadblocks when I try filtering.
Basically, I want subtractive filtering. So if I filter by keyword 'woman', only the pictures with women in them will appear. If I filter further by 'blond', I want it to show me only blond women, not pictures of women and pictures of blond people.
It seems like there is a way to do what I want, but I just haven't found the right button, if you know what I mean.
Thanks.

any ideas on how I can get back to that setting??
If you want to search your database you must use the find command (first time be sure to include the options for subfolders and non-indexed files)
Once your database is indexed fully you can search for woman. This should bring up a content window with all the pictures you have on your database with that keyword.
Now your keyword filter panel is filled with all the keywords that are present in the files from your content window. If you want only the blond woman to show click once on blond and only the blond show.
If you already have selected woman and blond just click again on woman and those files that don't contain blond should not show.
If you want to clear the filter panel selection in one go there is a small red circle with a line on it bottom right of the filter panel, this clears all your filter criteria in one go.
Is this about what you are looking for or did I not understand your question correctly?

Keyword Filtering please help !!!!!

Hi all,
I am doing my program which is a web browser with filtering funciton, it's running properly now but it have some problem with the keyword filtering function, it still not work properly. I try out a target webpage but that page still displaying...
I suppose to save a webpage into the 'Website.txt' (I use BufferReader and BufferWritter), and compare it with the content of 'Keyword.txt'. IF the keyword are match more than 5 times then the website will be blocked.
I set the keyword in my Keyword.txt with this word "car" and then try to access this webpage:
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/...t_auto_sa_h.txt
which content a lot of word "car" ( I checked already). But at the end the page still displaying...
    String B;
    String K = null;
    String W;
    BufferedReader in = new BufferedReader(new FileReader("Banned.txt"));
    BufferedReader in0 = new BufferedReader(new FileReader("Website.txt"));
    BufferedReader in1 = new BufferedReader(new FileReader("Keyword.txt"));
    boolean found = false;
    boolean found1 = false;
///////// Recognize the URL Address //////////////
    while ((B = in.readLine()) != null) {
     if (urlText.equals(B)) {
      found = true;
      break;
    if (found) {
     JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null,"Website Blocked !");
    else {
     chautaripane.go(url);
//////// Recognize the keyword /////////////////
    BufferedReader inR = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(url.openStream()));
    BufferedWriter buffWrite=null;
    String str;
    buffWrite=new BufferedWriter(new FileWriter("Website.txt"));
    while ((str = inR.readLine()) != null) {
          buffWrite.write(str);
                buffWrite.flush();
                buffWrite.close();
                inR.close();
   int count = 0;
   int lastindex = 0;
////Try to compare and search the keyword
    while ((K = in1.readLine()) != null) {
        while ((W = in0.readLine()) != null) {
        if(W.indexOf(K,lastindex)!=-1)
            count++;
            lastindex=W.indexOf(K,lastindex);
/////////// If the Keyword appear more than 5 times //////////
    if (count>=5) {
     JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null,"Website Blocked !");
      System.out.println("found"+found1);
    else {
     chautaripane.go(url);
     System.out.println("not found"+found1);
///////////////// Catch exception //////////////////////
   } catch (MalformedURLException urlException) {
    System.out.println("Error in ActionListener for URL... ");
    urlException.printStackTrace();
   catch (FileNotFoundException e) {
   catch (IOException e) {
);The content of my 'Keyword.txt' are
car
gun
I implement this function in my 'dcToolBar' class, I have no idea why it's not working because the code seems very logic already....
Can someone please teach me some solution, I really cry out due to this problem, PLEASE HELP ME !!!

You may want to store that words that you want to block in memory, maybe using a patricia trie or a hashtable. I created a sample blocker application to demostrate a solution to the issue posted. Refer to 'main' on usage.
rashid mayes
www.astrientlabs.com
public class WordChecker
    public static final int MAX_ALLOWED = 5;
    private Map blockedWords = new HashMap();
    public WordChecker()
    public void addBlockedWord(String text)
        HitCounter hitCounter = new HitCounter();
        hitCounter.text = text.toLowerCase();
        blockedWords.put(hitCounter.text,hitCounter);
    public void checkWord(String w) throws TooManyInstancesFoundException
        HitCounter hitCounter = (HitCounter)blockedWords.get(w.toLowerCase());
        if ( hitCounter != null )
            hitCounter.hits++;
            if ( hitCounter.hits > MAX_ALLOWED )
                throw new TooManyInstancesFoundException(hitCounter);
    public void addBlockedWordsFromFile(File f) throws IOException
        BreakIterator bi = BreakIterator.getWordInstance();
        BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(new FileInputStream(f)));
        String line;
        int start = 0;
        int end = 0;
        while ( (line = br.readLine() ) != null )
            bi.setText(line);
            start = 0;
            end = 0;
            while ( (end = bi.next()) != BreakIterator.DONE )
                addBlockedWord( line.substring(start,end) );
                start = end;
    public void checkFile(File f) throws IOException, TooManyInstancesFoundException
        BreakIterator bi = BreakIterator.getWordInstance();
        BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(new FileInputStream(f)));
        String line;
        int start = 0;
        int end = 0;
        while ( (line = br.readLine() ) != null )
            bi.setText(line);
            start = 0;
            end = 0;
            while ( (end = bi.next()) != BreakIterator.DONE )
                checkWord( line.substring(start,end) );
                start = end;
    public static void main(String[] args)
        try
            WordChecker blocker = new WordChecker();
            blocker.addBlockedWordsFromFile(new File("g:blocked.txt"));
            blocker.checkFile(new File("g:in2.html"));
        catch (Exception e)
            e.printStackTrace();
        System.exit(0);
class HitCounter
    protected String text;
    protected int hits;
class TooManyInstancesFoundException extends Exception
    public TooManyInstancesFoundException(HitCounter hitCounter)
        super("Too many instances of '" + hitCounter.text + "' have been found.");
}

Questions on best filters for vocal (podcast) processing

Hi All,
I'm a very recent convert to the Mac and Garageband world-- I've been a Windows-only user up to this point, and have a TON of experience with audio editing in Sony Vegas.
Couple of questions on Garageband:
Do the audio effect filters apply during recording, or only when you play the raw recorded track (I have a USB mic recording directly to Garageband)?
Do the audio effect filters apply sequentially from top to bottom?
What filters and settings would you recommend I choose to best compress and normalize a male voice for spoken word podcasting?
Thanks!
Jeff

KBjeff wrote:
Do the audio effect filters apply during recording,
no
KBjeff wrote:
or only when you play the raw recorded track (I have a USB mic recording directly to Garageband)?
yes:
http://www.bulletsandbones.com/GB/GBFAQ.html#nondestructive
(Let the page FULLY load. The link to your answer is at the top of your screen)
KBjeff wrote:
Do the audio effect filters apply sequentially from top to bottom?
yes.
you can rearrange them by dragging the effect by the 3 verticle dots on the left of the effect slot
KBjeff wrote:
What filters and settings would you recommend I choose to best compress and normalize a male voice for spoken word podcasting?
there really isn't such a thing, or else there wouldn't be so many parameters to set.
you need to experiment to find what works best with a particular voice/room/mic/etc. in fact change any of those things and you'll likely want to tweak the settings again

Keyword filtering Bridge 2.1

I migrated from Elements to Bridge and found a difference in the way Bridge filters keywords compared to Elements. Example: I have 3 images with assigned keywords: image1 (keyword1), image2 (keyword2), image3 (keyword1, keyword2).
If I check keyword1 I get image1 and image3 in Bridge and Elements. However if I also would check keyword2 (in addition to keyword1) Elements would only display image3 whereas Bridge would display image1, image2, image3.
Is there any way in Bridge to mimic Elements behavior?
Thanks

The filter will match across categories (for example jpeg, portrait and 5 stars will return only files that meet all of the criteria), but selecting multiples in a single category will display any file that meets one or more of the selected criteria. (for example several keywords)
This, as stated earlier, is not that convenient if you want to match on keywords.
A point to Tom's statement about having to force Elements to write metadata. I used Elements 5 and to my knowledge never requested a write to metadata, yet the keywords were all present in the metadata when I called these into Bridge. It is possible that there was some preference check box that said to do that, but I never consciously forced that or set that.

Question about metadata filtering and document sets

Hello,
I have a question about the metadata filtering when using document sets.
When i use the metadata filter for example for "Installatie: P00001" it shows.
But i wan't to show only the document set and not all the documents. Is this possible OOTB?

Hi striker,
You can add the "Content Type" in Hierarchy Fields for your list, then click the "Document Set" to filter the document set type item, then you can input the "P00001" in Installatle key filter, click apply, then it should show only document set
items with field value P00001.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-001/sharepoint-help/set-up-metadata-navigation-for-a-list-or-library-HA102832523.aspx
Thanks
Daniel Yang
TechNet Community Support

Keyword Filtering and Acrobat Connect Meetings

Interesting discovery this morning. We've had ongoing issues
with remote users in other companies connecting to our meetings for
the past several years, even after we'd enabled and verified
communication over port 1935 as well as 443 and 80. Turns out that
when a keyword filter is used and the keyword list includes the
word, "proxy", Meetings fail to launch. Many facilities are
filtering on this keyword to prevent the circumvention of their
communication policies and the access of inappropriate web sites in
the workplace.
Just thought I'd include this as an FYI to the community as I
am unable to find anything in any of the knowledgebases about this
issue.
Cheers!
Troy Wise

I assume you got this pricing from the on-line website? I ask because when you buy it from Adobe enterprise sales and through our corporate channel then this is all different.
Answers:
1. Yes. On-Demand recordings don't apply against your license.
2. No. That 25 limnit is for concurrent live meetings. It's unlimited for on-demand recordings. That 25 limnit is completely set by the kind of license you are buying. if you purchased thru the software channel versus on-line then that number would be 100 not 25. On-Demand recordings have no limit.
3. If you exceed the concurrent license, then the 26th person trying to join will receive a pop-up message saying the room limit has been reached and they will not be able to join. Yes, denied access. No way to charge a fee for overage.

Questions about keyword hierarchy

I'm in the process of designing and building a keyword hierarchy for LR3.5, and I'm at a loss to understand a couple of things.
In the process of deciding how to build this, I've looked at a number of hierarchies people have posted to the web. One thing I've noted is that people sometimes have the same word in multiple hierarchies, and sometimes the same word as both a regular entry and as a synonym. For example:
Architecture
      Building
          Church
                  {Cathedral}
          Cathedral
          Skyscraper.....
Cities
      Building
      Cathedral....
So what happens if I use the keyword building?
I *think* what will happen is that LR gives me a choice of selecting Building>Architecture OR Building>Cities. Is that correct?   Is there a way to get Building, Cities AND Architecture? What happens if I select Cities? Do I get ONLY cities, and none of the lower level keywords?
And I'm at a total loss about synonyms. If, while applying keywords to an image, I select the synonym {Cathedral}, under Architecture, what keyword(s) get assigned to the image? What if I select Church? And what if I select Cathedral under Cities?
Many thanks.

Thanks web-weaver.
I posted basically the same question in a couple of other places, and got conflicting answers. And the information I found on web searches tended to explain HOW to set up a hierarchy, but not how it really worked, and information on synonyms is especially limited, and often conflicting. So I did some tests. So as to not use any words that were already in my keyword list, I built a simple hierarchy of words not currently in use:
Colors
    Blue
        {Cyan}
        {Azure}
    Red
        Pink
                        Salmon
        Rose
    Green
        {BRG}
        {Emerald}
    Cyan
    Orange
Fruit
    Orange
    Apple
(I actually had a couple of other trees, but this is enough to demonstrate how they actually work.)
And it turns out synonyms don't work quite like I expected them to, and are, honestly, so limited I question their value.
Test1: Tag a photo with the keyword Cyan. Only Cyan gets applied to the metadata, not any of the words associated with it (Blue, Colors, Azure). Searching, I can find the image by searching on Cyan, or Colors. But NOT by searching on Blue.
Test2: Tag a photo with the keyword Blue. Only Blue gets applied to the metadata, not Cyan, or Azure. When searching, I can find it by searching on Blue, or any of it's synonyms (Cyan, Azure), or Colors.
(I had expected synonyms to work the other way, I think. So that if I searched on Blue I'd get all images tagged with Blue, but also those tagged with Azure and Cyan. )
Test3: Tag one photo with Cyan, and another with Blue. Searching with Cyan gets me both images, as does searching with Colors. Searching on Blue gets me only the image tagged with Blue.
Test 4: Tag a photo with the word Colors (and nothing else). I find it by searching ONLY on colors, not Blue, Cyan, or Azure.
Test 5: Tag a photo with the word Red (and nothing else). I find it by searching on Red, or Colors, but not Pink or Rose.
Test 6: Tag a photo with the word Pink (and nothing else). I find it by searching on Pink, Red or Colors, but not Salmon.
Test 7: Tag one photo with Orange->Color, and a second image with Orange->Fruit (this nomenclature seems backwards to me, btw. It's really Fruit-Orange and Color-Orange, but whatever...) Searching on Orange finds both images. Searching on Color finds only one, searching on Fruit finds only the other.
Synonyms affect only search, and not tagging (assignment). Searching on a term that is a synonym will find images tagged with the main word. (e.g., search on Azure and you'll find Blue, but not Colors).
On another site someone replied that when you search you'll find "any image which bears that keyword or any keyword BELOW it in the hierarchy." That's backwards, at least as I understand the word "above.". You'll actually find images using the keyword, it's alias, or any word ABOVE it in the hierarchy. So if an image is tagged with Red, you can find it by searching on Red or Colors, but not Pink. If the image is tagged with pink, you can find it with Colors, Red or Pink, but not Salmon.
The worst limitation of using synonyms is that when you're tagging an image, LR3 isn't smart enough to know the synonyms exist. So if I tag an image with the word Azure, LR3 doesn't substitute Blue, or use the synonym where it already exists in the hierarchy. Instead, creates a new, top level entry named Azure, not tied in any way to the alias or the "Colors" tree.
It seems like it would be useful to be able to enter Blue as a search term and find any images tagged with Azure and Cyan. Or enter Red as a search term and find Pink and Rose, too. The way it's implemented now forces you to enter the term you're most likely to use (Blue, for example) at the bottom of the hierarchy, and the least used words above. Or to use synonyms, and hope you never get confused an enter a synonym as a keyword instead of the word it refers to.
It seems to me it's more useful to just use Azure as another keyword beneath (or maybe above) Blue in the hierarchy. At least that way if I tag an image with Azure, I'm not creating a new entry in the Keyword list. I'm not sure I see much value in synonyms as they're currently implemented, but if someone has some examples of how synonyms benefit them I'd be delighted to see them.
Hopefully this information will be of use to someone.

Keyword filtering with 'all' and 'any' not working

Hi folks,
At the moment I'm testdriving Aperture 1.5.3, and it seems that when filtering on multiple keywords the logical connection 'any' or 'all' doesn't work.
For instance, the filtersetting is 'Match all of the following:'
[checked] Yosamite Sam
[checked] Bugs Bunny
[unchecked] Daffy Duck
This would mean I should see all pictures tagged with both the keywords 'Yosamite Sam' AND 'Bugs Bunny'. In stead of that, the result of the filter is all pictures tagged with 'Yosamite Sam' OR 'Bugs Bunny' OR both.
Is this a known issue and is already a fix for this?
Greetz,
Seeta

I had the same problem when I started using Aperture. The 'Match all/any of the following' is referred to the different searching options (by date, by keyword, by rating...)
If you need to search for images with all or any of the keywords ticked use the 'contain one or more of the following' or 'contain all of the following' beside the keyword title on the searching window.

Keyword Filtering & Search Via Parent Structure In Aperture Is Ugly - Help

I'm very frustrated with the keyword assigning and filtering within Aperture.
I basically have my keywording down, but USING the keywords is a nightmare.   I try and create parent keywords by things like People (fred, john, harry, etc.), vacation (2011 - Cancun, etc.), or Wedding (2011 - Fred & Ginger).
What I don't understand is how to easily and quickly search after I've created it.   When I pull up the "filter" it lists ALL keywords, alphabetically, but they are not organized into the nested groups that I created - why?   I can't "search" the keywords either.
The keyword HUD is equally useless to me.   It would be much better if I could easily move photos assigned to one keyword to another - but instead, I find myself needing to search for one keyword, select them all, then assign them to the new one, then delete the old one.   What a PITA.   The keyword HUD would SEEM to be the right place for it as - but all it does is seem to help you sort of organize your keywords. You can MOVE keywords to a parent keyword, but you can't pull up the images associated with that keyword or move them.
I've googled arond on this for a while and never found a good answer.
I used to use a program called Bullstorm Keyword manager with iPhoto that I loved.   Then Apple ruined that, and destroyed iPhoto's way of managing keywords.....   So, I was semi-forced to move over to Aperture which is "ok" - fraught with problems as it doesn't work witih my e-mail programs, slower, etc. etc.   But, I'll take it if it could ONLY handle keyword management better.
Any ideas?

Hello Eric,
Ideally, I want to be able to view my searches at a parent level and then select the children features that are applicable - instead of having to search across all my keywords each time.   E.g. selection Vacation, and then select the vacations that I want to see or see an easy list of all the 'core people" or "all people" that I want to search on.
You can just do that - at least with Aperture 3.2.2, I never tried it with previous versions.
Even, if you do not set the parent "vacation" keyword and do not see it displayed, you can search for it, and if any of the keyword "vacation"'s children are set, then a search for "vacation" will return all images with children of "vacation" set.
If I select "Vacation" under search, it does properly shows ALL my vacation pics.   But how do I easily select three of the keywords under vacation without going through all the keywords to find them?   Same thing with "people"   I'm organizing all my people tagging so I can easily select me, my mother, my wife, etc., but when I go under search, it's an all or nothing situtation.
It sounds like I might be able to do this by renaming "Bob" to "Bob Reynolds" and then putting them under the same parent, right?   That would be helpful.
Exactly, rename the keyword "Bob" outside the group of "Bob Reynolds" to   "Bob Reynolds" and then drag the second "Bob Reynolds" to the other group. You first will get a warning that some images carry the keyword, then you will be prompted if you want to merge the keywords.
Again, thanks for that - that helps.
The problem with the "search" is that I have keywords with people's name in them (as well as within the name of the file).   In other words, I have keywords like "Bob's Wedding" - if I search for Bob, I get that too.   I want to be able to quickly search for people, locations, etc. within that search.
It looks like you are using keywords for task that can be done in Aperture with other tools, like "Faces" or "Places" or "Project Names". To find people I search the "Faces", to find vacation pictures I search the locations, events I search by date. Maybe you can shorten your keyword list by looking at the other options.
Possibly. however, I think the reason I started doing that (back in the days that I was on a PC and use Adobe) was that I like to be able to easily find pictures of Me, with my brother and my mother.   I don't think you can do that with Faces, can you?   I do nee to start playing more with Places.   I like flagging separate events.
I'm sitting here organizing keywords as we've been back and forth on this and the Keyword HUD could be perfect - if would only allow me to create a search - not just mess with the keywords.
Would be nice if there was an easier way to assign keywords with the keyboard.   Being limited to only 8 keywords at a time (via the option xyz key) along with "," and "." is awkward.
I wish Kirby Krieger would drop in - I remember he once wrote a nice post explaining how to use the textfield in the keyboard controls to assign keywords by typing, but I cannot find this post right now.
But the basic idea is, if you show the keyword controls (shift-D), there is a textfield with the message "add keyword" written into it. If you now start typing the name of a keyword, you will get a drop down list with possible completions and you can pick one of the suggestions to quickly assign the keyword to your selected images.
If you can find the post, that would be great - would love to read it. Again, the problem is ease of use.   I hit "shift D", then I need to go to the mouse to click on the "add keyword", then type it and hit return.   If I accidentally assign the wrontg keyword, I need to go back to the mouse, click on "meta data", then highlight and delete the keyword I incorrectly assigned.
Overall, the MAIN reason I use something like Aperture is for photo organization and keywording.   The editing is a nice to have - but I can use Adobe for that if needed.   I'd give up everything it would simply allow me to quickly add my images, assign keywords, and edit.
Thanks again!
HTH
Léonie

Hierachical Keyword Filters

I can create hierachical keywords in Bridge CS3 2.1 just fine but they seem to get all flattened out in the Filter Dialog. The best I have been able to get is write the hierachy to the file which gives me e.g. people/family/dad as a keyword but no hierachy. What's the point of the hierarchy if I can't use it for filtering. Isn't the idea of the hierachy to organize. Got to be missing something here?
Ax

I don't use hierarchical option so just throwing out another thought. Seems like the filter panel is giving you a look at how the keyword was set up, may or may not be best option to sort by. If you have a keyword "Ellen" on pictures of Ellen the hierarchical option would tell you if it was from Smith family or Jones family. For your cataloging needs you need to decide if hierachy is the best option. I prefer a little more complex keyword to avoid the mess of the hierachy name. Such as Ellen S or Ellen J.

LR2 Question syncing keywords and/or Metadata.

I am shooting RAW and import the files into my catalog as DNG.
After adding keywords and changing metadata to all the DNG files I would like to apply those changes back to my original RAW files.
Can I do that easily? Maybe adding XMP files to the same directories as the original RAW files?
Once I have the RAW files tagged with the same keywords and metadata I plan to archive them and delete from my disk.
Thank you,

For your first question - You can select the folder containing the files then use the Save Metadata command from Folder panel context menu (see attached screen shot). Alternatively, you can select the actual files then use Save Metadata to file command (Ctrl/Cmd+S). This latter method is much slower.
For you second question - not using your current workflow. That said, if you changed your workflow slightly it's possible. To do it you ned to import your raw files without converting to DNG. Next, you apply keywords, metadata, etc. then use method described above for saving back to file (this creates the XMP sidecars). Now select all of the images in Grid view and convert the raw files to DNG (Convert to DNG from Library menu).
The final step would be to archive the raws plus XMP sidecars, this will need to be done outside of Lightroom.

Keyword Filters bring 3 different results

Hello,
I have a Problem with filtering Keywords.
I set up a smart collection with one single criteria - search for a single Keyword: Number of pictures= 453
When I use the Metadata Filter for the same Keyword: Number of pictures= 405
When using the right hand Keyword List in the library: Number of pictures= 421
One thing is, that the smart collection filter shows also pictures with the keyword in the file name -> Bug?
thanks for listening.

Depends upon who you ask.
There are are those of us who believe items should propagate through a stack and others who do not. There are also some who think that component images (HDRs, Panos, etc) where multiple images are used to make a final, behave one way and other stacks behave another.

A question about keyword tags

Is it possible in settings... or somewhere, to set it so that when you open (PrE9's) organizer instead of starting with keyword hierarchy list - it could open on keyword cloud view? I am not so keen on the hierrarchy method...
Thanks.
brush

I did some experimenting in the Elements 9 Organizer.
1-- yes, when you close the Organizer then it does always seem to come up next time with the Thumbnail grid AND the Tags panel on the right is set to Hierarchy view. Then you must click on the icon for Cloud view.
2-- my conclusion is that if I click on the Cloud icon after starting the Organizer, then it was staying as Cloud in the Keyword Tags panel to the right of the Thumbnails for the duration that the Organizer is open.
3-- Note that if you use Full Screen for viewing your photos, then for the "Quick Organize" panel that drags out from the left side of the screen near the bottom, the default for Keyword Tags is Cloud. This is a different method of working which you may or may not like: however since it does set Cloud I decided to mention it.
FYI - to get to Full Screen you can use the pull down menu for the Display icon (that is next to the House icon on the top bar of the main Organizer screen). Choose the option "View, Edit, Organize in Full Screen". FYI - I usually select the thumbnails of the photos which I want to Organize before I go in to Full Screen.

Question about keyword hierarchies

Hi, I'm relatively new to Lightroom. I'm seeing an "interesting" behavior with respect to hierarchical keywords and I'd like to understand if it is correct.
To start with, I've got an example keyword hierarchy for aircraft:
So far so good. Now, I have brought some images into Lightroom that have all of those keywords (aircraft, boeing, b-17 flying fortress, texas raiders) in the image. These keywords were inserted by another application, prior to me switching to Lightroom and importing into Lightroom. After importing into Lightroom, I arranged these in a hierarchy. So, when I select one of those images, the keyword panel looks like this, indicating that all four of those keywords are explicitly assigned to the selected image:
Now, I find that if I export a version of this image with "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy", then the actual Keyword metadata field in the file contains this:
     air show, aircraft, airshow, b-17 flying fortress, boeing, monochrome, texas raiders, aircraft | boeing, aircraft | boeing | b-17 flying fortress, aircraft | boeing | b-17 flying fortress | texas raiders
I understand that this is the actual keywords, followed by the hierarchical keyword paths. However, I notice that parts of the hierarchical path are repeated. In other words, the above includes all of the following:
     aircraft | boeing
     aircraft | boeing | b-17 flying fortress
     aircraft | boeing | b-17 flying fortress | texas raiders
Is this because the "boeing" and "b-17 flying fortress" keywords have been explicitly assigned to the image, in addition to these keywords being inherited from the lower level keywords which are also explcitly assigned?
What I would like to see in the exported file is the list of keywords plus just the one long hierarchical path from bottom-to-top, without the "pieces", like this:
     aircraft | boeing | b-17 flying fortress | texas raiders
I notice I can get that if only if I unassign all keywords except for the lowest-level keyword, like this:
Is this expected behavior? I assume that it is.
The problem I am having is this. In my pre-Lightroom days, I had all these keywords assigned directly to the images without any hierarchy whatsoever. I imported them into Lightroom, and then arranged the keyword hierarchy inside Lightroom's Keyword List panel. Now, as a result of all keywords in the hierarchy being explicitly assigned, I'm seeing parts of the hierarchy repeated when I export (as shown above), and it is "messy".
Is there any way to clean this up without it being a totally manual process?
Does it harm anything to leave it as-is (i.e. with repeated parts of hierarchy)?
Thank you
Chris

Thank you John, KeywordConsolidator has a "Remove Parents" function which (if I understand the description correctly) will do what I'm looking for.

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