Quicksilver CPU

Is it possible to drop the CPU from a newer PowerMac G4 into my Quicksilver 2002? Like the CPU from a Dual MDD, or perhaps the Dual 1Ghz from the last QuickSilver (My current G4 is a single Processor Unit)

I don't believe it's possible to drop the CPU daughter card from a MDD or FW800 PowerMac into a QuickSilver due to the differences in architecture etc. However, I'm sure the CPU card from another QuickSilver would work, including those with dual processors. I expect all QuickSilver 2002s are fundamentally the same in terms of the logic board etc, the only difference being which CPU card happened to be installed at the factory. I've tried looking for one from a Dual 1GHz QuickSilver as well so I could perform a processor upgrade without having to worry about firmware patches etc that many third party processor upgrades seem to need. However, original Apple CPU cards seem much more expensive than third party ones, even second hand. I hope this helps.

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    Hi, I've got a 733mhz quicksilver G4. I'm looking into upgrading to a dual 800mhz quicksilver cpu. Sound like a plan? I know not to get an mdd cpu as I've heard they won't work in the quicksilvers. Does this sound like a plan, the dual 800mhz?....is it worth it/ do you think I'll see a difference? The only thing this computer is mainly used for is online...it's a clean system, yet with all the moving ads they keep putting on yahoo, weather.com, etc...the single 733mhz is seeming a bit slow...even with a good amount of ram I have in there. Will this swap be a simple one 'pop out, pop in'....or is there anything I need to do since it's a double on mb with originally a single cpu? Thanks for your advice! How do you calculate the cpu speed...i know that this dual 800mhz is not the same as a 1.6ghz, but what would you call it equivalent to? Thanks for your advice-
    Message was edited by: funylinks2004

    Hi-
    Any of the Quicksilver CPUs are plug and play/ interchangeable in the QS.
    Just get the heatsink with it, as they vary. Dual processors must have a dual processor specific heatsink.
    A dual 800 is equivalent to a 800 Mhz processor,except that there are two of them, that's all.
    It is better than the QS single 800 MHz processor in that the single doesn't have a L3 cache.
    What a dual does for you is to help with multitasking in OS X, speed up dual processor aware software and boost graphics and video handling ability.
    A single 933 MHz processor is quite a bit faster than a 800 MHz processor, and way better than the 733 MHz processor due to L3 cache.
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  • Will a Quicksilver cpu work in a Sawtooth?

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  • Quicksilver CPU questions

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  • Quicklookd and Quicksilver, cpu usage

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  • Apple G4 Quicksilver CPU Acceleration cards - real 4x cpu power gain???

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  • Why can't I use a DA 867 or 733 cpu in my DA 467?

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  • Can I fit an 800mhz processor in a 400mhz G4 tower?

    Hi, I've got a 400mhz G4 tower (10Gb HD) and I've got an 800mhz processor from a Quicksilver tower left over after the latter was upgraded with a Sonnet 1.8 dual processor. Can I upgrade the 400 with the redundant processor?
    Cheers for any tips/advice.
    Kev.

    Hi
    Unfortunately you can't, at least not easily...
    Firstly in the earlier G4s the processor socket is in a different location on the logic board. Consequently the larger Quicksilver CPU daughter card will interfere with the optical drive ATA connector on the logic board.
    Secondly because the Quicksilvers have a 133MHz system bus, the bus multipler on the CPU card will be set to 6 (6 * 133.33MHz = 800MHz). When installed in an earlier G4 with a 100MHz system bus, this will cause the processsor to run at 600MHz. you could increase the bus multiplier to 8, but this involves adding and/or removing small resistors on the CPU card.
    Thirdly the Quicksilver CPU cards require a 12 volt feed to the fourth mounting screw. This isn't too difficult in itself though as it can be taken from a spare hard drive molex power connector.
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  • Best cleaning steps for g4 processor and heat sink?

    I just pick up a dual 800 quicksilver cpu. What is the least expensive/best way to clean the die surfaces as well as the heat sink surfaces? Also does anyone know a link showing stable higher than originally rated speeds?

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    You may be correct on the thermal pad. It would be the only logical explanation..... I've never really "dissected" a thermal pad before- just scraped them off and tossed 'em.
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  • Upgrade Digital Audio or buy Used MDD G4?

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  • How many screws are supposed to be install in a G4 Quicksilver 1GHz DP CPU?

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    Thanks Jon for your response - at least I know I didn't misplace any parts while putting back together. I'm probably going to strip it down again though, it just doesn't make sense. I agree that they can be temperamental but my other QS which only has a 867mhz processor I put into a 2002 motherboard (the old board had issues, so I replaced it with the newer version) has really given no problems since I first assembled it all together almost 2 years ago. And although I haven't completely taken it apart again, I have used it to troubleshoot various pieces of RAM, video cards, etc without any problems. Yes, it's picky about what PCI card goes where, but would just having a different processor on a similar motherboard cause such a glitche? And actually the only glitche has been this RAM bank thing - which does come and go when I move the door, so I must have missed something else when assembling it.
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