Re: Forte Management Queries (OOP)
2. Reusable Objects:object reusability is ideal, however in practice it is rather
difficult to achieve, and unless there is proper infrastructure put
in place, dealing with reusable objects becomes such headache nobody
will care to use them....This problem is common to many of object-oriented development
efforts. From my point of view, the source of this disillusion in OO
approach is in neglecting the first, and the most important phase
of any object-oriented development process, I mean OO Design. To
make your class reusable you need to clearly understand in the first
place how and under what circumstances it will be used. After that
define its responsibilities, i.e. methods and attributes. Then
decide what parts of its behavior will need to be overriden in
subclasses and what attributes can be made private. Try to make
class interface as simple as possible.
Unfortunately, the design process may take a significant amount of
time without any visible 'hard-coded' results, and this is one of
the reasons why it is neglected so often.
Another important issue is the level of project's
'object-orientation' which is implicitly defined by project leaders
and correlates with their own OOP experience and knowledge.
Sometimes they seem to be afraid to implement OOP key features:
polymorphism and class hierarchy at full speed, which finally leads
to the hybrid design, i.e. structural programming implemented with
classes.
This problem exists not only in Forte, but in any OO environment.
Mikhail Schelkin
Senior Software Engineer
Conextions, Inc.
[email protected]
http://www.conextions.com
1. Remote Installation of Run Time software:have you looked into installing forte runtime (or your application) on a
network drive and having your users run the setup from that drive?
there are also tools like saber or sms that would allow you to remotely
manage your desktop applications. for example, you can programmatically
have saber check your desktop's version of forte and if the master
version, residing somewhere on the net, is more uptodate, reinstall the
latest version on your desktop....
2. Reusable Objects:object reusability is ideal, however in practice it is rather difficult
to achieve, and unless there is proper infrastructure put in place,
dealing with reusable objects becomes such headache nobody will care to
use them.... with that in mind, here are some suggestions which you may
already have considered:
- after through examination of how your organization intends to use
these objects, design them...
- assign someone as a class librarian who will be involved in the whole
life cycle.
- create a repository specific to your reusable classes.
- develop classes & TEST them thoroughly.
- export the project(s) out of your repository and check them into your
favorite cm tool.
- document classes and publish the document to the user community.
- have other projects contact your class librarian to obtain a copy of
the pex file containing your classes.
- make sure your class librarian keeps user community informed as to
what new or revised classes are available.
perhaps you are wondering why we should export classes at project level,
well, if your classes depend on service objects or cursors, the only way
to export their definition is by exporting at project level....
Regards,
Noushin Bashir
Born Information Services Group
Forte National Practice
(800) 262-9941 ext. 4278
[email protected]
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Bravo. I completely agree. Right now Forte is helping me solve my business
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-----Original Message-----
From: Genesio, Fabrizio [mailto:fabrizio.genesiodatasign.ch]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 5:22 AM
To: kamranaminyahoo.com
Subject: RE: (forte-users) RE: Forte 3 vs Java -- Productivity ( was
Futur e of Forte )
What an interesting debate....
May I just add some considerations?
- Successful Project capable to produce effective and maintainable
system. That's in my opinion should be our goal as professional IT
actors. Languages are just means to reach this goal. Therefore I would
like to see IT professional considering all the aspects of software
development, and not only the code and the languages.
- About distributed features in Java systems... Sure, you can do
in Java a lot of nice things, but, today, how much would it cost to
develop in Java real mission-critical distributed application?. I am
talking here about the IT "headaches" Forté has been capable to solve
during the past 5 years. Should I make examples? What about distributed
events, what about distributed transactions, what about fail-over, what
about load-balancing? Or, to move towards a more comprehensive view of
software development (and maintenance), what about partitioning (or, to
talk J2EE slang, assembly), what about deployment, what about monitoring
and run-time management? Is there, available today, an alternative to
Forté that cover so many aspects of enterprise-class systems? I
apologize, but I do not see one, or at least not yet. It not only a
matter of languages...Nevertheless, I believe tomorrow is another day,
Java will evolve as well as the environments for it (including Forté for
Java), and the all will be mature enough to really support distributed
application.
- This leads me to express a wish. I like the way one can turned
down the Singleton issue. However this is a perfect example of the
difference from Forté to Java. On one side you have an abstraction, that
hides complexity. On the other side you are (again) back at the
"plumbing" level. Now I do not know what you think about in my opinion
it is about time we move on from the "prehistorical age", making
abstraction, start to worry more about the business requirements (and
the users' needs). We should stop this sort of religious fight for the
best language (the term "crusade" came to my mind), and using our energy
to push for an easier integration, a effort-less plug-in between
components. There is no perfect solutions, all languages have positive
and negatives points. However all we really need is to learn to use each
technologies at the right time and place, and having all pieces
collaborating between each other. Pretty much like a house, where
several material are used, each of them useful but none of them capable
to replace all the others. Of course, it is clever to use sometimes only
wood, and some other times only concrete. However, most of the time you
need both, and you absolutely want them "collaborating" together to be
able to live in your house. Well, that's what "in primis" we have to ask
for to Forté, and to SUN, in particular: easy integration and
collaboration between TOOL and Java, a seamless cooperation between
partitions and EJBs.
I look forward to discuss all this at FORUM2000....
Fabrizio Genesio
Datasign AG für Informatik
ch. d'Eysins 53a
CH-1260 Nyon
Switzerland
Tel.: +41 22 361 04 04
Fax: +41 22 361 01 10
e-mail: fabrizio.genesiodatasign.ch
<mailto:fabrizio.genesiodatasign.ch>
URL: www.datasign.ch <http://www.datasign.ch>
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From: David Vydra [SMTP:dvydrajavamentor.com]
Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2000 04:57
To: Thomas Mercer-Hursh, Ph.D.
Cc: kamranaminyahoo.com
Subject: Re: (forte-users) RE: Forte 3 vs Java --
Productivity ( was Future of Forte )
At 03:06 PM 2/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
>At 06:28 AM 2/10/2000 , David Vydra wrote:
>How familiar are you with this product? Does it tell you
something that
>all of the FJEE tools are written in TOOL?
So what? IBM's VisualAge for Java is written in Smalltalk.
Look, if Forte management thought that they could fight the Java
invasion
they would tell their engineers to make TOOL much, much better.
Instead
they put most of the effort into SynerJ and sold the company to
Sun. Smart
move if you ask me.
>As for what is or is not a 4GL, I think that there are so many
>incomparabily different types of languages available these days
and in so
>many flavors, that any kind of division into generations is, at
the very
>best, extremely subjective. Certainly, TOOL isn't very much
like some of
>the classic procedural 4GLs, but personally I am very
comfortable calling
>it an OO4GL in comparison to the more common OO3GLs around,
like Java.
Agreed.
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email the word: 'Unsubscribe' to: forte-users-requestlists.xpedior.comAt 06:28 AM 2/10/2000 , David Vydra wrote:
Also, it is a little unfair to compare a product in its third production
release with a beta product. I agree that for certain projects Forte 3 is
the right choice today. The issue for me is: will Sun continue the support
of TOOL? How much of a 4GL is TOOL? Will TOOL become more 4GL in the
future or will it be phased out?How familiar are you with this product? Does it tell you something that
all of the FJEE tools are written in TOOL?
As for what is or is not a 4GL, I think that there are so many
incomparabily different types of languages available these days and in so
many flavors, that any kind of division into generations is, at the very
best, extremely subjective. Certainly, TOOL isn't very much like some of
the classic procedural 4GLs, but personally I am very comfortable calling
it an OO4GL in comparison to the more common OO3GLs around, like Java.
=========================================================================
Thomas Mercer-Hursh, Ph.D email: thomascintegrity.com
Computing Integrity, Inc. sales: 510-233-9329
550 Casey Drive - Cypress Point support: 510-233-9327
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RE: (forte-users) RE: Forte 3 vs Java -- Productivity (wasFutur e of Fo
Excellent point David, and right on the money in my opinion.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Vydra [mailto:dvydrajavamentor.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:57 AM
To: Thomas Mercer-Hursh, Ph.D.
Cc: kamranaminyahoo.com
Subject: Re: (forte-users) RE: Forte 3 vs Java -- Productivity ( was
Future of Forte )
At 03:06 PM 2/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
At 06:28 AM 2/10/2000 , David Vydra wrote:
How familiar are you with this product? Does it tell you something that
all of the FJEE tools are written in TOOL?So what? IBM's VisualAge for Java is written in Smalltalk.
Look, if Forte management thought that they could fight the Java invasion
they would tell their engineers to make TOOL much, much better. Instead
they put most of the effort into SynerJ and sold the company to Sun. Smart
move if you ask me.
As for what is or is not a 4GL, I think that there are so many
incomparabily different types of languages available these days and in so
many flavors, that any kind of division into generations is, at the very
best, extremely subjective. Certainly, TOOL isn't very much like some of
the classic procedural 4GLs, but personally I am very comfortable calling
it an OO4GL in comparison to the more common OO3GLs around, like Java.Agreed.
=========================================================================
Thomas Mercer-Hursh, Ph.D email: thomascintegrity.com
Computing Integrity, Inc. sales: 510-233-9329
550 Casey Drive - Cypress Point support: 510-233-9327
Point Richmond, CA 94801-3751 fax: 510-233-6950
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the login: forte and the password: archive. To unsubscribe, send in a new
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David Vydra
dvydrajavamentor.com
www.javamentor.com
(877) 270 - 9003
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the login: forte and the password: archive. To unsubscribe, send in a new
email the word: 'Unsubscribe' to: forte-users-requestlists.xpedior.comAt 06:28 AM 2/10/2000 , David Vydra wrote:
Also, it is a little unfair to compare a product in its third production
release with a beta product. I agree that for certain projects Forte 3 is
the right choice today. The issue for me is: will Sun continue the support
of TOOL? How much of a 4GL is TOOL? Will TOOL become more 4GL in the
future or will it be phased out?How familiar are you with this product? Does it tell you something that
all of the FJEE tools are written in TOOL?
As for what is or is not a 4GL, I think that there are so many
incomparabily different types of languages available these days and in so
many flavors, that any kind of division into generations is, at the very
best, extremely subjective. Certainly, TOOL isn't very much like some of
the classic procedural 4GLs, but personally I am very comfortable calling
it an OO4GL in comparison to the more common OO3GLs around, like Java.
=========================================================================
Thomas Mercer-Hursh, Ph.D email: thomascintegrity.com
Computing Integrity, Inc. sales: 510-233-9329
550 Casey Drive - Cypress Point support: 510-233-9327
Point Richmond, CA 94801-3751 fax: 510-233-6950 -
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The other day, my MacBook (which will be a year old on Dec. 17) wouldn't bootup. It stayed on gray screen with the progress indicator twirling. It finally booted up after three tries. Then I saw a log that it had performed a system check and passed,
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Creating new Tablespace in 10g XE using Database Home Page
How can I add a Tablespace using the "Database home Page" GUI? I've done this before, but now do not see a link for "Create Tablespace" under the Administration -> Storage icon. I'm logged in as sys.
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After installing drivers for my Canon MP170 I can't boot up with USB devices connected. At the moment I have an i-Rocks USB hub with a Sony Ericsson w960 and the MP170 connected to it. During the boot up the white initial screen takes really long tim
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How many people who frequent this forum and help out, or develop games for a living or otherwise, are actually gamers? i am for one. I was just wondering how many people who develop games have actually played a game before and know what the gamers wa