Referenced photo directory tree - refresh import?

Okay, maybe I need to completely change the way I do things, but I can't figure this out.
I just did a full import of a multi-level directory tree into Aperature, and it works great (although it took a while). There are multiple levels, and thousands of photos. They are stored on a NAS on an NFS share.
Photos can be added to the NAS from lots of places, including a PC or another Mac.
What I want to be able to do, manually or automatically, is update Aperture with new photos. Auto seems unlikely, but manual seems like it should be possible.
The problem is, it always imports everything again. I've tried reimporting the directory at the top level, and Aperture creates a second tree with a "(1)" after it, rather than updating the original. I've tried dragging all the files from the NAS into Aperture, but it imports all duplicates, and they are no longer by reference. I've tried importing files, but the weird interface that pops up doesn't show NFS mounts or support soft-links.
Any ideas? Am I missing something obvious here?
Thanks in advance for any help!
-Mark

Edit: I guess every import is a project. I think the issue is that this only works at the lowest level project. So, if I have "/Photos/Husband/Year 1/2010-07-30 - Party", if I try a reimport at, for example, "Husband", it duplicates everything?
Edit again: Nope, I just added a few new pictures to an existing lowest level folder, and it added only the new pictures, but added a new project with a (1) after it. In the above example, it created a "/Photos/Husband/Year 1/2010-07-30 - Party (1)" project in Aperture with just the new photos.
What the heck?
Message was edited by: AbMagFab

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I always import all photos as managed photos, and never use referenced photos. Yesterday, I noticed that the last 29 photos from a group of 96 photos imported Feb 18 were badged as "The referenced image’s master file has not been found."
Indeed, although I had worked on many of these images in Aperture shortly after importing them, I could now only view a large but low-res thumbnail.
Weirdly, when I right-click on one of these images and select "Manage Referenced Files..." I get a message that "The selection doesn't use any referenced files." I get the same message when I select "Manage Referenced Files..." from the File menu with the entire project selected.
Using the Finder, as well as the find and locate commands in the terminal, I have verified that the missing images are not on my main or backup hard drives (unfortunately, I use a simple rsync script for backup, and I didn't discover this problem until after the deletions had propagated to my backup).
The other 67 photos imported at the same time (same import group) seem fine, and, using the Finder, I can locate all of them in the Aperture library.
To test one user error scenario, I imported some test photos into the Aperture library and then relocated the masters to the desktop. I then quit Aperture, deleted the photos on the desktop, and relaunched Aperture. As expected, the test photos had the same "The referenced image’s master file has not been found" badge, but when I right clicked and selected "Manage Referenced Files..." I got the expected dialog, unlike when I select the same option for the missing 29 photos.
Any ideas what went wrong?
G5 iMac Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Thanks for responding...
It sounds pretty odd. First try to rebuild the
database...as was suggested (Option>CMD on launch of
Aperture).
I will try this eventually. But I want to get some insight first, in case this could create more problems than it solves. I am also holding off on updating to 10.4.9 for the same reason.
This might help. If not, try to make an
adjustment on one of the images. This will force the
thumbnail to redraw. If the adjustments aren't
available for that particular image, then the image
is really offline somewhere.
I am unable to make any adjustments on these images.
I assume you went into your Library "Show Package
Contents" to confirm they are missing. If not, try
that.
Yes, the images are not in the folder with the other images from that import. Further, I used the unix 'find' and 'locate' commands to search my entire hard drive and backup drive, and the images were not found.
Can you Export the image?
That was how I first stumbled on this problem -- I tried to export and got an error message that "Versions with unavailable master images cannot be exported."
The weird thing is that when I try and get the 'Managed referenced files...' dialog, Aperture claims that "The selection doesn't use any referenced files" -- that tells me this data loss might be the result of a bug and not user error.

2 iPhoto Libraries, one referenced photo source

I know people have been looking for a safe way (a method that will not corrupt the iPhoto library database) to share libraries for a long time. It appears that until Apple decides to make changes to allow this to happen, its not possible to do it without risking database corruption.
But is is possible to share a dataset of referenced photos (where the original photos are not stored in iPhoto's library, just links to the photos that are stored elsewhere) using two libraries? In other words, two libraries pointing to the same dataset of original photos?
I know this would mean that photo edits made using one library would not be available in the other. But this approach would allow multiple members of the family to share the same set of family photos, and have their own libraries, with separate albums, edits, etc.
I'd appreciate hearing thoughts about this (or better yet, if someone has actually done it!).
Cheers,
Bill

Possible - of course it is
but it is a really bad idea - at this time iPhoto simply does not handle referenced libraries well
As you point out this method would only share the originals and not of the edites, metadata changes, projects, etc
And it means a complicated time and consuming import scheme of different people adding originals to the shared photos library and then notifying all others of what they had done and each and every user importing all of those photos to their library - which means that most likely everyone whould have a different set of photos within a srt time
But the biggest issue if that the path can n=ever change (unless you hack the database of each iPhoto library that is referencing the photos) so upgrading hardware, computers or replacing defective devices becomes much more difficult
LN

Help with the complexities of a mix of managed and referenced photos

When I first started using Aperture instead of iPhoto, I elected to keep my iPhoto photos in their existing location (as referenced files) and all subsequent photos that were imported into Aperture were (obviously) managed by Aperture.
I am hoping to start freeing up some hard drive space by deleting some photos.
[1] If I delete a referenced photo in Aperture, does the photo also get deleted in iPhoto, or does the reference to it merely get deleted from Aperture? I'm assuming the latter is true. If I delete the photo in iPhoto, I'm guess in a preview thumbnail remains in Aperture.
So, what's the best way to accomplish this?
[2] I'm ultimately hoping to get a new MacBook Pro and am thinking since I'm now an Aperture afficianado, I'd like to move all my photos to aperture as managed files since I might ultimately put my burgeoning photo collection on an external drive.
Is there a way to change the referenced iphoto files to managed Aperture files (thereby completely bypassing iPhoto altogether)?
Thanks for your help!

Thanks. That is pretty straightforward. One follow-up question:
Do I then select all the photos in Aperture and do Colsolidate Masters (assuming Aperture will skip over those pictures that are already Managed), or do I have to select only my iPhoto referenced files?

How to filter / find referenced photos by where they are located

Ok guys, I have been going round the bend with this one.... I've been through all of the Filter options in Aperture 3.4.3 several times over the last week trying to find for some way to get Aperture to only show referenced photos that are located on a particular external hard drive (EXT1) / within a particular sub-folder.
In addition to some Originals/Masters being located on EXT1 I also have some referenced photos located on my start-up volume (OSX).
The desired function: I would like to move all of the photos (and video files) that Aperture is referencing (along with the existing folder structure) from within /EXT1/Photos/ to another folder (either also on EXT1 or maybe on to another drive (EXT2), it doesn't really matter where).
Why do I want to do this? I want to check whether there are any 'lost' files that shouldn't be inside /EXT1/Photos/ that Aperture is for some reason not referencing. If I move the files that Aperture is referecing away from their current location then the things that are left over would either need importing into Aperture, or moved eslewhere, or maybe even deleted. Some such files might have been put there by other applications, or by me accidentally, or more likely that Versions of them have been deleted from the Aperture library but the Orignals/Masters were not moved to the system Trash...
I've gone through 5 pages of google results, trying all of the keywords that I think might be relevant, searched many posts in macrumours forums as well as here, but I can't find an answer to what I thought would have been a simple question.
Under File > Locate Referenced Files Aperture can tell me which files are located on each Volume, but from here there is nothing that can be done with the results :-( being able to search my Volume and file path would be very useful to me.
If I've missed something obvious then sorry, but I've gone cross eyed with lack of sleep tonight I thought I'd throw the question out there in case someone knows whether this is type or search criteria is not possible, or if I'm just missing something obvious!
Thanks in advance,
Adam

My next question, which I can post a new topic for if it's suggested, is "can you safely delete the RAW file in a previously imported RAW + JPEG pair?". I did some research into this a few weeks ago but didn't uncover a proper way of doing this, but someone suggested that you can simply just set the JPEG to be the Original/Master within Aperture and then delete the RAW file within Finder.
That is a cumbersome workaround. I cannot really recommend it - I tried it myself. Aperture will complain over and over again about the missing RAW files and even repairing the library will ot fix it. The safer way to remove the raw files from the pair would be to export the jpegs as master and to reimport them, then to delete the older imported versions after lifting and stamping any edits you may have done already.
Aperture's built-in feature to keep only raw for selected images is to allow to import only the jpegs first, browse the images, and than add the raw later for the images that you want to have at a better resolution.
From the Aperture Manual:
If you import only the JPEG files and then later decide you want to download the RAW files as well, you can have Aperture identify and import the RAW files that match the JPEG files in your Aperture library.
To import the RAW files that match the JPEG files in your Aperture library
Choose “Matching RAW files” from the Import pop-up menu.The Include pop-up menu appears below the Import pop-up menu.
Do one of the following:
To import all matching RAW files regardless of rating: Choose “All matching files” from the Include pop-up menu.
To import all RAW files matching JPEG files that are unrated or better: Choose “Unrated or better” from the Include pop-up menu.
To import all RAW files that match the current rating: Choose “Current filter” from the Include pop-up menu.
Regards
Léonie

5272 Referenced Photos NOT LOADING! I'M BEGGIN' PLEASE HELP!

Yes, all my photos that I have imported (as referenced images) can't be edited.
The photos are in an external HD where I have all permissions to read and write. As a matter of fact, I could edit them before I upgraded to Aperture 1.5.2. However I must confess that I'm not sure if this is the reason why I can't edit; Aperture only indicates the "Image Loading" message on the Adjustments HUD.
Is it possible to revert to a previous version in Aperture? Any other ideas as of why this is happening!?!?

Hi David,
Thank you for your suggestions. I have partly figured out what is causing this problem. The referenced files are not connected properly so a simple reconnection should solve the problem, right? wrong. If I connect a new volume with or without importing photos, my referenced photos get all jumpled up. Please read along.
It's weird, but I will try to explain here.
I work with 4 drives:
1. Mac HD (MacOS Extended Journaled)
2. WinXP (NFTS) (not writable)
3. BackUp1 (FAT32) - External --> I have my ref photos here
4. BackUp2 (FAT32) - External
When I import referenced photos from the first time, there's no problem I can see the images and edit them. However, if I disconnect that device and connect another one, the referenced images point to another volume, NOT THE CORRECT ONE.
For example, yesterday I reconnected all my photos in BackUp1 and everything was fine; images were correctly referenced to this volume. Went home happy and thought my problems were solved. At home, I connected a USB stick and copied some photos in Finder, that's it; didn't open Aperture or anything else. Then later, when I opened Aperture and I connected my BackUp1 drive, the photos that I had just reconnected at the office were referrenced to BackUp2, unable to load them!
It has happened before that sometimes, instead of referring to BackUp1, the photos are referenced to WinXP!! (where I don't have any photos).
Any ideas??
Thank you.

Help! Problem with Aperture referenced photos after I updated to iPhoto 09

I updated my iPhoto library to iPhoto 09. Then I rebuilt my Aperture 2.1.4 Library.
In Aperture, when I try to edit a referenced photo imported from iPhoto, it cannot be found because it is on an unmounted volume. It is conceivable that I previously moved the original iPhoto Library to "Backup" drive – the one the referenced image is pointing to according to Aperture, then copied it to "Sally" drive – the one that iPhoto has no trouble finding, but Aperture is not pointing to.
I thought I could "manage" the referenced files and point Aperture to the correct folder within the iPhoto library – I can navigate to the folder and file, but the "Reconnect" and "reconnect All" buttons are disabled.
Does anyone have any idea how to get Aperture to reconnect to the iPhoto library? I hope I don't have to re-import the library into Aperture - that would be a nightmare!
Thank you,
Francis.

I imported my iPhoto 08 Library a while ago, using the Aperture Import iPhoto tool, choosing to "Store files in their current location" (the iPhoto Library, on Sally drive).
Much later, I had to re-jig my hard drives, renaming "Sally" to "Backup" and "Backup" to "Sally".
The iPhoto Library is on the new Sally drive and iPhoto has no trouble accessing it.
Aperture thinks the iPhoto Library is on Backup drive (which used to be called Sally). I'd like to get Aperture pointing to the iPhoto Library on Sally.
Sorry about the Sally/Backup madness, I thought I'd be detail things as much as I can.
Thanks,
Francis.

How do i delete photos which were being imported and are now stored in a folder which i can't access

how do i delete photos which were being imported and are now stored in a folder which i can't access

Go to your Pictures Folder and find the iPhoto Library there. Right (or Control-) Click on the icon and select 'Show Package Contents'. A finder window will open with the Library exposed.
Look there for a Folder called 'Import' or 'Importing'.
Drag it to the Desktop. *Make no other changes*.
Start iPhoto. Does that help?
If it does then look inside that folder on your desktop. Does it contain anything you want? If not you can trash the folder.

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