Reg: BPM design

Hi All,
I am bit confused on the solution approach of BPM design and I would like your suggestions in completing my task.
Requirement :
scenario is proxy to Jdbc .
I will get two input files from the source system and I have combine two files information into database table :
1) first file will come only once and have key field which I have to consider.
2) second file may come more than once based on bookings at source side( 3/5/6/8).
with current design , able to capture only one output from this design . my current design is :
Fork
Two receive steps ( correlation enabled in two steps based on key value)
transformation step
send step.
with the current design in bpm ,correlation will come out after the first message satisfies the condition. Now i want to loop in such away based on the second file input correlation has to work ( there is no input from source to take count on files). pl guide me.
Regards,
Suman

Hi,
This is what happens: the first receive step starts the bpm. If you have, afterwards, some other receive steps you have to set up the correlation condition.
Once a message is being sent, the engine looks at all the started BPMs and based on the correlation condition it assigns it to one of them (that's why it is important to have the correlation condition unique per instance).
From what I understand, you have the first message and then you can get 1 to 4 more messages. So you always have at least two messages: the first one sets the correlation id for the second and further messages. This correlation condition/id is just a field in the message that corresponds. Now after you get the second message, you say that you already know how many other messages will follow, that's why I say put a loop block with the receive (which should have the same correlation as the other).
Now the contents of the first message will be available to the other messages as long as you keep it in a separate container variable, and you can re-use it in the loop.
Hope this helps,
Horia

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