Regarding Compressor 3

Regarding Compressor 3: When I submit a FCP 6 file I get message:"Unable to submit queue. Please restart your computer or verify Comp. installation is correct". No changes to system in last 3 yrs. Any ideas?

According to your signature you're running Lion and so presumably you had to install FCS 2 fairly recently. How did you do that innstall?
Russ

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Instead of Compressor went Quicktime conversion (still problems)

Hi,
Thanx for all the suggestions regarding compressor. I didn't even consider doing Quicktime conversion for my DVDSP2. I did this last night with a two pass knowing it would take along time. After about 9 hours with some 18 to go ( the piece is 78 minutes) I got two errors, one from my system and one from FCP. FCP simply said "Out of memory". And what I'm assuming was from my system with the yellow triangle and exclamation point. "Your startup disk is nearly full. You need to delete some files."
What I don't understand about these is that I had "video" as my destination. This is a drive within my firewire drive that I had earmarked for just video and it has 23GB of memory in it which should be enough for this piece. Am I wrong?
I know that the other internal drive that I have just for graphics such as video does have a lot on it. A 200GB drive, it only has about 5GB left of memory. Can anyone enlighten me or point me to some articles.
Thank you in advance,
John

Your system drive functions as a virtual memory device. When the software you are running requires more memory that the physical ram you have, the hard disk pages in and out of RAM as needed. Since your spec doesn't mention ram below, I don't know how much you have, but once it filled, overflow started to fill up your system drive. If that becomes full, the system itself could shut down.
You can think of the disk as a pantry and shelf space and RAM as the kitchen table and counter top. When you run out of space for food preparation, you can put stuff back in the pantry or put partially prepared recipes on shelves for later completion.
And please don't call disk space MEMORY - it is not memory. Memory is RAM. Disk space is storage. Also, I should mention that the efficiency of your hard drive drops off SIGNIFICANTLY once it gets over 90% full.
make sense?
Patrick

Compressor and IDVD imports, etc.

Hi Again, just the dumb newbie. But I've been READING the manual(s) and at least the help/manual on Compressor...because I did something that did not seem to work, went back and tried to fix it. A couple of things happened:
I imported a little 15 minute promo I made on Applied Magic Screenplay, via copy from a DVD. I jazzed up the intro and menu and burned an iDVD. Fine. Now I have to change a "tinny" audio portion, and decided to import it into FCP.
BAM went right in...but when I tried to look at it in the timeline, it said (undrendered file) SO...I started to render "all". It said it would take about an HOUR to do this.
SO I read the MANUAL. It says that I was (possibly, I haven't a clue) rendering uncompressed media, and that it KILLS disc space. So I READ THE HELP on compressor. WHich says it transcodes multiple format media files (of all types) for use in FCP. SO I cranked up compressor, added the same file and preset the encoding for MPEG-2DVD. ( Figureing MPEG 4 wold take longer). It took over an hour to transcode this.
SO re-opened FCP, and imported the file. It took several minutes to load it (saw the painted wheel forever), and then when I went to drop it into the timeline...>FCP unexpectedly QUIT.
I re-opened, and of course the file was not there (not saved in FCP)/ HOWEVER, when I went to look at that original iDVD thing I made...a ".mov" file, NOW I can see it and work with it in the timeline?
What did I do wrong here? Or better yet...how the **** did I fix that without rendering it as the program requested? THE MANUAL did say that FCP supports any file created on my computer, So I was shocked about having to render at all.
Any insight to this (for my learning purpose mostly) would be greatly appreciated!!! Cap'n? Input PLEAZZZ.
Thanks again
MW

Thanks for the encouraging words. With that...to continue.
SO...this morning, I strectched, woke up and opened the project and the "Saved all" files I supposedly saved...were not there. The original .mov was.
SO, the manuals (for compressor) do give detailed descriptions of what the different compression titles are used for. And as I was planning on making DVD's that play continuously in our theater, I thought that compress to MPEG2 was best.
SO, I agian went and imported the compressed file into FCP and BANG, quit. Just too much for it to handle? As I am importing this file, I don't understand the purpose of export settings (yet), or why FCP is shutting down when the manuals BRAG that FCP will fluidly with compressor files. I'm just baffled, that's all.
I guess it was "iMovie" that I made the movie in..."iDVD" that I authored the DVD in.
So was I correct in assuming that FCP wants me to render this imovie (.mov) as an uncompressed file? Regarding compressor, There are so many choices, granted, they are well explained in the manual, but I just don't know which one to use in compressor to make this silly 15minute promo DVD.
Again, your patience and knowledge/experience are all greatly appreciated!
Just a bit about me: I bought an Appl ied Mag ic screenplay about 4 years ago because i was starting a business and wanted a video done. After getting prices, I figured I could by cameras, booms, support equipment an expensive hooker AND a stand alone NLE for the price....and did just that (sans hooker).
SO i've been spoiled by a very easy system (applied Mag) but found as I do more with it, that it really is limited as to what I want it can do (like high quaility audio adjustment, better color correction, critical splices/sync, etc.). That's why I bought the G5 and am trying out AXDV and FCP4.5.
I really enjoy editing, feel that for someone who is self taught I've done some pretty fun stuff, and look forward to learning more! Again, you guys are great and I for one am thankful for your help.
MW

Compressor 3 is very slow for all settings

I am finding Compressor 3 to be almost unusable it is so slow, on top of the awkward QMaster integration. I have been trying to encode .M2V files as well as Quicktime 7 800Kb files.
With Compressor 2 an .M2V file would take less than 2:1 to encode (less than 2 hours to encode 1 hour of footage). Now with Compressor 3 it takes 4:1 or worse. Other files such as the Quicktime 7 web codecs often take upwards of 20:1 and often the file isn't even there.
Does anyone have any suggestions regarding Compressor 3?
I recently upgraded to FCS 2.0 and have installed the most recent updates. I am using a MacBookPro 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo with 2GB of Ram.

Hi guys,
I may not have the answer, but I can say that it does not seem normal. My biggest concern is that 20:1 using the straight QT encoder. For me that has always been the fastest way to encode. On my dual 2 G5, the QT exporter is often much less than 2:1.
As for compressor, let me tell you one thing that may be the problem. How much rendering of the video did you have to do before the export? One thing that Compressor does is re-render every frame of video.
For instance, if you have a project with a ton of graphics, scaled video, etc., and you hit render so you can see it before you export; it might take a few hours to render the whole thing. If you like it, and then export it to compressor, compressor will ignore those render files, re-render the video using a codec that matches your output (instead of DV or HDV), then export to your format. This means a couple hours of re-rendering before it actually does the export. This results in long export times, but in theory, nicer results.
To avoid this re-render, you can export a quicktime movie, manually open compressor and bring in that quicktime.
Hope that helps

Compressor vs BitVice, and DVDSP 3 vs4

Hi all,
Just wanted to see what your opinions were regarding compressor versus bitvice, and what, if any, overally quality differences we would see if we upgraded to the new version of DVDSP. Our source media is NTSC/DV, anamorphic, at 24P, but we're doing some experimentation with exporting as uncompressed before our encode, to see if we can get the highest quality encode possible.
Unfortunately, when previewing files directly in quicktime, it chews up our colors something awful, so I think I may actually have to just put together a DVD for the tests that we're running - if anyone has any suggestions for how to get the best possible image quaility with what we are looking at, I would love to hear your thoughts.
Cheers,
Kris

If you're viewing DV files in QuickTime Player, you should make sure that High Quality is on, because it makes a dramatic difference as to how DV files look.
BitVice has some DV video related options that may do a better job, but otherwise Compressor 2 seems to be doing a reasonable job.

Slow as Christmas, whoops-I said the "C" word

Why is it that I can export a movie to "Animation" setting and then use compressor to transcode that into an H.264 faster than I can export directly to the H.264? In fact, I can do 3 the indirect way in the time it takes Motion or FCP to export directly to H.264.
There are many counter-intuitive realities regarding Compressor that are simply maddening.

What is your original source format? Sometimes when you export directly from Motion or FCP, it must render before it encodes. If you export to animation first, that's one less step when you use compressor.

Why is Submit Button Greyed Out on Compressor

Just recently, I have been unable to submit a video for compression. As always, I drag on the compression I want to use and select the destination. I hit the first submit buttn and the window drops down asking for the name of the batch. I enter the name but on this window the submit button is greyed out and I cannot submit the project for compression.
I looked at past instances of this problem and I downloaded and ran Compresser Repair 2.2, but the problem remains.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I have never had this problem before.
Barry O'Brien
Compressor 3.5.3
FCP 7.0.3
OS 10.6.8

Russ,
No worries. Yesterday, I brought the Apple Clean Install instructions to pointed out to me to my IT guy I had him do a clean intall of Compressor using the outline and the problem was solved. It took him an hour. It would have taken me 1/2 a day!
I did have one good bit of advice suggested by Jason Brown over at Creative Cow, but I didn't have time to research it - and my computer was already on my IT guy's bench. He said:
"Let me start by saying I'm not an expert...just a user, so I could be wrong. BUT I fixed my issue after installing fcpx, it moved compressor to a subfolder in applications, but not the Qmaster app. When I ran update, it updated Qmaster to 3.5.3 but compressor was just on 3.5 I took compressor out of that folder, ran update again and they were same version number. U can check version number by looking about under file menu. For Qmaster, select app, get info and its in there."
I think he is suggesting that Emaster and Compressor need simultanious updats, and to do that Apple has to be able to find the files. The fact that Apple has the clean install for Compressor so available and in multiple locations suggsts to me that this is a common problem.
One of the Creative Cow guys said that his production company does complete clean installs off all apps on all machines every 12 to 16 months!
Well, I declare this issue fixed, and thank you for all your help and advice. Hopefully, someone else will find this thread and it will be helpful to them.
Regards,
Barry

Success with sorting Compressor Leopard S L O W encode problem - here's how

Hi all,
After struggling for a LONG time and picking up some tips here on the way, I finally got Compressor encoding in a reasonable time on Leopard - before it was taking DAYS to compress to H.264 - it would just crawl along at a brain numbingly slow pace and I knew something was wrong.
Not knowing any better I'd done an upgrade from Tiger to Leopard and then had this huge slowdown in compressor.
here's how I solved it.
1. Followed the steps in the Apple KB article
(Also summarised here http://www.scottsimmons.tv/blog/2008/01/11/compressor-hatred-resolved/ )
That wasn't enough on it's own, however. I tried it about 4 times to no avail.
2. Even though I wasn't having 'can't connect to queue' or QMaster issues I still did the prefs change listed here
http://www.extreme-nepal.com/forumboards/Qmasterfix.png
And lo and behold I am now getting decent encode times again under Leopard.
Hope this helps someone.
Regards
Dave

I've got a similar nonsence: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=883002&tstart=0

FCP Pro Res Super 16mm -- Compressor -- DVD Studio Pro (Nightmare Workflow Critique)

Hello,
I figured I post here rather than the DVD Studio Pro forum; I've posted on Creative Cow as well but haven't gotten any responses yet.
Before I mention my problem, I'd like to mention that I've tried several types of compression methods and bitrates and unfortunately, my disk still freezes in my player, generally around the same area.
(I have two, minute long clips with Smoothcam there).
I'll try to be as specific about my work-flow as I can and I've posted the photos of my FCP and Compressor settings below.
30 Minutes. Super 16mm.
2K DPX Scans -- > Graded In Color --> Pro Res 4444 23.976 --> Sent To Compressor --> Mpeg 2 + AC3 --> Build & Format With DVD Studio Pro
I set blue compression markers at the start of each Smoothcam clip.
I've recompressed my footage without Smoothcam as well - with the same end result.
I've sent my timeline to Compressor and used both the 5.5-7 VBR setting and the 6.5 CBR settings (with everything under Frame Controls set to the highest quality).
(I've also used the 6.2-7.7 built in settings with the ninety-minute high quality preset).
I am using Sony DVD-R disks. 16X/1X. When I play them in my PS3, the film freezes at different points in the first two-three minutes - then skips ahead exactly to the same point in my film - about halfway.
I've set Chapter markers and it skips to the halfway one; from there it plays fine.
1. I wanted to ask if I should maybe export my entire sequence first through FCP (an .mov file) and try Compressing that?
(I've done this and the result is still the same)
2. Should I set it to Pro Res 422 HQ first?
(I've done this and the result is still the same)
3. Perhaps I should just try to Compressor with the 90Min-HQ setting without changing anything?
(I've done this and the result is still the same)
4. Should I remove the Smoothcam?
I'm currently compressing the entire sequence void of all Smoothcam.
When I bring the files into DVD Studio Pro, I see under preferences that Studio Pro also has VBR settings. Do those have any effect on my DVD encode? There is no CBR there - only VBR set from 5.5-7.
5. Is there anything I'm doing wrong with regards to my workflow? There are several options that may be causing this; I'm not sure if its the progressive footage to interlaced standard definition disk, or modifying field dominance, gop structure, etc.
Any help would be greatly (that's greatly) appreciated.
Thanks!
-Boris

My first impression is you're trying to make this too hard...
You have a high quality timeline which is downconverted to 1080, no problem. Once rendered, SmoothCam
should not represent a problem. If anything, SmoothCam will reduce the sudden movement that can cause problems. Any scenes where you have a high rate of change per frame (like in an explosion or a background of leaves flapping in the wind) should be marked with compression markers.
Export as a QT movie using sequence settings (include markers for DVDSP) so you have a completed source file for compression. I'm not aware of anything that will improve the quality beyond what is in the timeline, so current sequence settings are fine. Test this for playback issues.
If you are having playback problems with the sequence after export and compression, the most probable cause is excessively high bandwidth requirements. Try using the DVD: Best Quality 90 minutes preset. It generally produces a very good quality product. Any attempt to increase the quality will likely increase the bandwidth requirements that are the probable cause of the skipping.
While Sony is a big name, their DVD substrate is only mediocre. If you think the substrate is a problem, switch to Verbatim or JVC/Taiyo-Yuden.
If you are dissatisfied with the quality of the Compressor output, look into the Cinema Craft encoding products.
Hope this helps.

Help with Workflow FCP to Compressor then DVD Pro and Shaky footage

Hi, I am new to using a MAC and also to Final Cut Studio so if this question has been asked before or seems obvious then I offer my apologies.
I have a clip on the timeline which is a little shaky but I need to use it. I have added a SmoothCam filter and when I playback in FCP all seems OK however after sending to Compressor then eventually to DVD Pro the clip shows as being shaky again, almost as if the filter had been deleted in the Compressor. Could someone perhaps talk me through the correct workflow I should be using and maybe suggest where I am going wrong please. As I said this is my first attempt to author a DVD with FCP on my MAC.
The footage was captured on my Panasonic Home camcorder. The settings in my camera were set at 1920 x 1080 HG mode for High Definition.
In my camera user guide it refers to the images being based upon the MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 codec so should I have set something similar when capturing into FCP.
Any advice would be welcomed.
Regards
Fred

Hi Mike I tried everything to try and resolve this one, I tried all combinations of field dominance. I also followed the recommendations from the Apple help to use the intermediate codec (search under AVCHD in the Help files) If I get anywhere I will mail you
Regards
Fred
PS I had some advice from another forum group who said to try and export a Quicktime movie into DVD Pro and not to send to Compressor, I will try that later and see if that helps.

Problem exporting video using compressor for a final cut pro vid

I've created a video in Final Cut Pro and trying to export using compressor to apple tv. Each time about half way through it crashes final cut and gives me the 'final cut pro had to quit unexpectedly'.
Haven't a clue what is going on, it happened sometimes when i was trying to conform to HD but when i did it bit by bit it was ok.
All the media is online so really haven't a clue. I've tried using quicktime conversion in pro-res then bashing into compressor and it works but interlacing is all over the shop, even with de-interlace filter.
ANy answers with regards to why its crashing greaty appreciated!
P.S when it crashes says something about a pro-core plugin
Message was edited by: jim__bob

Hi Jim,
Can you update your profile, we don't know what your hardware set up is or your OS, or version of FCS. It could give you answers a lot faster if we know your details from the off.
Ok, what format is your original media, what are your sequence settings please.
DM

Hardware compressor and am not quite sure how to use it in logic express 9. Please help???

I recently bought a dbx hardware compressor and am not quite sure how to use it in logic express 9. I hav a focusrite saffire 6 usb audio interface and am not sure how to use it in logic. Please help???

Hi Ujjawal,
Use the Tab-order property of IR object.
In design mode, select the any command button, right click and select the property. you will find the window for "Tab-Order". It lists all the objects available in that dashboard. Here you can arrange the tab order..
Hope it will help you.
Thanks & Regards,
Mohit Jain

Compressor will not launch

I have FCP 5.1.4 installed, along with Compressor 2.1 (as part of FCP Studio 1). I've been searching in this forum and elsewhere on the web, and it appears that many people are having a similar problem: the Compressor application will simply not launch. It hangs on the dock for a moment, then disappears. Nothing else happens.
I have tried the steps that are proposed by Apple in that often cited support document (removing all files, reinstalling Compressor, upgrading from Software Update, then rebooting) a total of three times, and the problem still exists. I even removed every last piece of FCP Studio 1 (every related file) and then attempted a full reinstall of the FCPS 1, with no luck. Compressor is dead.
I see one other solution proposed, and it's a head-scratcher. I'm supposed to wipe my hard drive clean, and then reinstall my entire system? That sounds precisely like the nightmare I expect from Windows, and is the reason I left PCs for Macs in the first place. Risking my entire system to get a single application to work. Absolutely staggering...makes me almost wish I was back on Adobe Premiere Pro again. It wasn't great, but it did actually work.
If anyone has any other suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm on a deadline to finish a short, and the director finds it really strange that I cannot output DVDs of the cuts for him.
Many thanks,
David

I gather you've already done a full uninstall/clean reinstall of FCP (and all related Studio applications) but if you haven't that's the place to start. You'll need to find every last vestige of all the applications, which can be tricky, so be sure to use Spotlight, and search for the Apple support doc that outlines the way to find the files that are REALLY hidden, and be sure to delete everything, without exception. (Even one little bit left behind will cause a problem with the new install.)
If you've already done this, and are sure the reinstall was clean, then I'd advise you try it one more time, just to be sure.
One other possibility: did you install Leopard recently? I stayed with Tiger just to be safe, and it's possible your problem is compounded by the new operating system.
Sorry I can't be of more help than this.
Regards,
David

How do I avoid or get rid of thin green line bordering my video in Compressor?

Hello!
This is my work flow:
Edited an 18 minute 1920 x 1080 ProRes video on FCP 7, exported a master video file ProRes 422 self-contained QT movie, sent to Compressor (tried Best DVD 90-minutes and ProRes codec settings) to prepare files for a SD DVD in DVD Studio Pro.
My issue: I am getting a THIN GREEN LINE bordering my entire video on the Compressor file.
My master video file is perfect, no green line, however once it's gone through Compressor (tried both Best DVD 90 minutes and ProRes codec settings) the video has a thin green line that I can see in the DVD Studio Pro preview and simulation. The burned DVD also has it.
I would like to author the work in DVD Studio Pro as it is a looping video work for exhibition so I have the video file 6 times on the DVD rather than have it re-start at first track every time.
Seems like it has to do with downscaling the 1920 x 1080 video to SD for DVD.
Searched the web and there doesn't seem to be a clear explanation for it besides this discussion about 16s but doesn't clarify in regards to the problem downscaling to SD DVD.
Thanks so much to anyone with the magic answers!

>prepare files for a SD DVD in DVD Studio Pro.
My issue: I am getting a THIN GREEN LINE bordering my entire video on the Compressor file.
My master video file is perfect, no green line, however once it's gone through Compressor (tried both Best DVD 90 minutes and ProRes codec settings) the video has a thin green line that I can see in the DVD Studio Pro preview and simulation. The burned DVD also has it.
PAL - 1080 / 576 = 1,875
NTSC - 1080 / 480 = 2,25
DVDs are standard definition, so your original file has to be compressed to those pixel dimensions. As you can see above the number of HD horizontal lines don't divide by an even number into SD horizontal lines, so you get partial lines left over that the TV system doesn't really know how to interpret - that's the green bit.

Removing pulldown... cinema tools vs compressor vs ???

I have some footage shot at 24p on my canon hf 10. I need to remove pulldown. I saw this artice here
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2410?viewlocale=en_US):
now, which is a better method, to remove the pulldown, cinema tools or compressor, or even, another third party app does it better? Compressor and Cinema tools are 2 different programs, so they must have 2 different ways of doing things, and or results.
with compressor I have created a setting and a droplet on my desktop.
but I am interested in what the article says
*This method requires that you determine the cadence pattern for each clip.*
*In Final Cut Pro, choose the Easy Setup named "Apple Intermediate Codec, 29.97, HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60".*
*Capture your clips.*
*Open each clip in Cinema Tools and manually reverse telecine each clip.*
how do I determine the Candence for EACH CLIP? also, if I shoot at 30p, do I also need to remove pulldown, or is this just for 24p?

piff aroni wrote:
I have some footage shot at 24p on my canon hf 10. I need to remove pulldown. I saw this artice here
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2410?viewlocale=en_US
Zak Ray wrote:
Not sure why the article is recommending using AIC-- as I see it, your options are 1) capture native HDV and transcode to ProRes + reverse telecine in Compressor, or 2) capture ProRes and reverse telecine in Cinema Tools.
The best way to figure it out is probably to just run a test.
Am in a very similar situation to Piff, and as Zak suggests am about to do some tests.
Meantime though, would be interested to hear from anyone with experience in this particular area, especially since the Knowledge Base article quoted above is a bit confusing on two fronts:
1) It refers to the Canon HV20, which shoots HDV, whereas the camera referenced by the original poster, the Canon HF10 -- assuming it's the same Canon HF10 I've been using -- shoots AVCHD files on SDHC cards (and/or its internal memory);
2) As Zak points out, it's surprising that there's no mention of ProRes, just AIC. The article says it was last modified July, 2008 -- was that pre-ProRes?
In any case, I'll try to post my results as soon as I can run my own Compressor vs. Cinema Tools tests -- but in the meantime would appreciate hearing any insights from those who've already been down that road, especially in regards to best practices for removing the pulldown added by the Canon HF10 when shooting "24p" (which as a colleague recently pointed out, should actually be called "24f", as in "24fake" -- since it's really just 29.97 interlaced in disguise).
Thanks,
John Bertram
Toronto

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