Restoration workflow using lightroom

When I'm restoring old photos, I've used Photoshop as my main tool (with Katrin's Eismann's book as my bible). But now that I'm feeling pretty comfortable with LR3, I'm exploring when and where to use it in the process. I don't see doing away with PS completely -- too addicted to context-aware healing, multiply blend, etc -- but I'm open to advice along the lines of "you dope, don't you realize you replace Levels Adjustment Layer with..."
Typically, I like to do major repairs (tears, folds, dust) early - in PS. But I think I've already discovered that, once I complete the roundtrip from LR to PS, don't monkey again with LR Develop...? So, workflow suggestions much appreciated.

If you have pristine original photos and perfectly exposed scans, you may achieve good results using only LR. Also, most scanners allow you to apply some exposure adjustment, color correction, and sharpening during the scan image capture. If you prefer to take the time to setup your scanner software to apply these adjustments during the scan process, then you may achieve good results using LR only. The major drawback with this workflow is that certain photographs may require different adjustment settings, so you are back to “readjusting.” The other consideration is intended usage of the final image file. If it is for non-critical applications such as low-resolution web images, then a LR only workflow may be adequate. If you are “archiving” old less-than-perfect family photos here’s my workflow:
I use 16-bit/color ProPhoto RGB profile TIFFs with initial editing done in PS. Dust spot removal and other “small defects” are best fixed in PS "destructively." My results are always better by first making very basic black and white point adjustments and a single-point tone curve adjustment using a “non-destructive” curves adjustment layer in PS. I also add a very small amount of "capture sharpening in PS. which assist with the spot removal process. You can do this using your scanner software sharpening tools, but the setting will vary dependent on scan resolution and image print type (gloss, matte). All scan images just like camera RAW images need capture sharpening applied. You will apply final sharpening adjustments in LR based on target output and preference. Next I do spot and other small defect removal in PS and then import the file into LR for further editing. If I find more dust spots while processing the file in LR I can go back into Photoshop to remove them and resave the file. LR will update with the changes made in PS. I try to reserve LR’s non-destructive clone tool for “larger defects,” so I can remove or change them later. Unfortunately, the current LR clone and heal tools are limited in their flexibility compared to PS’s tools. If you find yourself piling on clone tool spots in LR and you’re still not pleased, move into PS. I find it’s much faster to correct difficult defects in PS.
You can certainly do all or most of these steps in LR, but my experience indicates it is much more difficult to achieve the best results with scanner images using only LR. Why? LR's tools have been specifically "tailored" for processing RAW digital camera images. Photo, slide and negative film media scans have their own set of peculiarities, which are far different from the “near perfect’ sensor output of digital cameras. IMHO you will achieve better results with your scan images by using both PS and LR, with as many (or few) iterations you desire. I leave the file open in PS and LR and find it doesn't slow my workflow at all. In fact I can process images faster with this workflow.
Either workflow you choose, Lightroom is the way to go for final editing, output and cataloging of your processed scan images.

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Lightroom "subcontracts out" specialised external tasks, in this workflow, but is still your "main contractor": the image is otherwise located, viewed, managed, adjusted/presented and output entirely using LR.
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Larry you fail to mention that using an external editor with iPhoto will not allow you to save your changes back into the iPhoto library.
Unfortunate you simply are ignorant of how iPhoto works - when you use an external editor with iPhoto and save the edited photo it is returned to the iPhoto database and the iPhoto database is updated correctly.
There are many Apple apologists on these forums
No - but since these forums are for iPhoto support the users here are very experienced iPhoto users and do use iPhoto a lot - no apologies - just CORRECT information on how to use iPhoto (and if it will not doe what you want sometimes suggestions on where to go to do what yo want)
and they will either try to convince you that other software is not as good
I certainly have NEVER seen this - every piece of software has good and bad points - and again remember *this is an iPhoto support forum*.
or totally ignore newbie users whom want to know how they can do something in iPhoto when it is not possible due to it's limitations.
Once again this is simply incorrect - unfortunately you have no idea how iPhoto works or how to use it
Rather, in my opinion I prefer to be honest
Honest maybe - but very unknowledgeable
and if another application does a function that iPhoto doesn't then I would personally point that out.
Good plan - the problem is that you simply are ignorant of how iPhoto works and what it can do so con are posting erroneous information making false claims
Your totally incorrect posts are unnecessary and could be confusing to users who want information - as the TOU state please TEST your assumptions before you post them here - totally incorrect posts like yours are not the least bit helpful
LN
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Please feel free to share your thoughts or own experience on all of this.
Thanks to Tony Long for his suggestion in this thread, which caused me to go on a search for the optimal Lightroom/Capture workflow: http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?7@@.3bc719df/3
If you are interested in taking a look at the final output of the workflow listed above, please look here: http://photos.unsavory.com/p634883589
Cheers everyone!
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I am working on Oracle Apps workflow on HR. I copied HRSSA and tried to save but it wasn't saved properly and also the original workflow is not saving now. I want to restore back the original workflow without reinstalling.
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Hi,
According to your post, my understanding is that you wanted to recover the workflow history.
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http://tjendarta.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/sharepoint-workflow-history-event-type/
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http://www.fusecollaboration.com/Blog/archive/2011/10/10/recovering-workflow-history-after-60-days.aspx
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/a13291be-73c5-440b-bc7d-c7c8f1833035/how-can-i-restore-workflow-history-and-tasks-deleted-by-the-workflow-auto-cleanup-job?forum=sharepointgeneralprevious
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http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/b15b27e2-3033-418b-9731-968273d7423e/missing-completed-workflows-history?forum=sharepointcustomizationlegacy
http://snahta.blogspot.com/2009/01/workflow-auto-cleanup-days-fix.html
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