Role of Web Services in cross organisation BPM

What are the pros and cons of using web service based decentralise approach for managing Inter-Organisational BPM? What are the challenges and what are the benefits?
Regards
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

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Web Services in Inter Organisation BPM

Hi All,
What are the pros and cons of using web service based decentralise approach for managing Inter-Organisational BPM? What are the challenges and what are the benefits?
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Process Ownership in Cross Organisation BPM

Hi all,
What are the pros and cons of using Peer-to-Peer based decentralise approach for managing Inter-Organisational BPM?
What are the challenges and what are the benefits from the aspects like autonomy, governance, security, modelling, monitoring, and process ownership?
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Peer-to-Peer approach for Cross Organisation BPM

What are the pros and cons of using Peer-to-Peer based decentralise approach for managing Inter-Organisational BPM?
( Peer-to-Peer CBPM: In ideal condition in this approach every Partner should have the same technology which is developed for handling collaborative Business Processes. In this case the same modelling, monitoring, and implementation technology is available across the value chain. )
What are the challenges and what are the benefits from the aspects like autonomy, governance, security, modelling, monitoring, and process ownership?
Thanks you
Regards
Ganesh Sawant
Edited by: ganesh sawant on Jul 16, 2011 8:45 PM

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Web Service consumption fails in BPM

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I am new in the BPM and trying to create some demo applications using the tutorials from SDN.
I have created a BPM process and import a web service in that for an automated activities.
During execution the web service fails and giving the the following error.
"Unable to generate configuration data - The service group might not registered with the provider system".
I've tested the web service is running fine from the web service navigator.
I am using CE7.1.
Regards
Indra

Hi Indra ,
You should assign a service group for the automated activity in your process. Click on the automated activity in the design time and goto properties tab and select "Interface". There you can create a new service group. This should fix the error you are getting.
Regards,
Rohit

Urgeent: Web Service Invokation Error form BPM studi

Hi
I'm using BPM Studio 10.3.
I have a Web service and i want to call it form my process. But whenever I invoke it a problem occures.
I can invoke it from my code out of studio.
The complete exception message is:
fuego.lang.ComponentExecutionException: The task could not be successfully executed.
Reason: 'java.net.SocketException: Connection reset'.
Bye
Edited by: user1045467 on Mar 3, 2009 10:12 PM

Hi everybody
I found the solution.
It was all for my windows. I used windows Xp Service Pack 3.
I run my process on other computer running windows XP Service Pack 2 and everything was fine, I invoked service successfully.
The bad thing about windows was that I could invoke my service from another java code, but when invoking it from BPM suite had errors.
Bye

Configuring Role Expert Web services for Compliance Calibrator

Hi @all,
performing the configuration of Virsa Role Expert I've got a question regarding the settings for the various Web Service Info. for the Compliance Calibrator.
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Kind regards,
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Hi,
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Web Service Info. for CC Transaction Usage: http://SERVER_NAME:PORT/VirsaCCActionUsageService/Config1?wsdl&style=document
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Don't show data from web service to Cross-Tab in xcelsius

Hi all visitors
I have created one web service and my web service will show data like this.
Group ___Floor ____Amount
Member__Floor 1__1000000
Member__Floor 2__1000000
Member__Floor 1__1000000
Member__Floor 2__1000000
Member__Floor 2__2200000
Member__Floor 1__     1000000
Member__Floor 1__     1000000
In my xcelsius, i have option to make it to cross-tab.
when i use that data( data above by manual) to excel spreadsheet. The data will change to
Group______________Floor1________________Floor2______________GrandTotal
Member____________5000000_____________ 3200000_____________8200000
GrandTotal__________5000000_____________ 3200000_____________8200000
But when i load the data from web service,It doesn't show anything.
(when i use list view to show data from web server, i see all data)
How can i load data from web service and show the data like manually?
Best Regards,

Hi Tony,
As per your example i have used the SUMIF fucntion
have a glance at that and let me know if you need help
Data coming from webservice >>     Concat     Group     Floor     Amount
                                          =C7&D7     Member     Floor1     1000000
                                          =C8&D8     Member     Floor2     1000000
                                          =C9&D9     Member     Floor1     1000000
                                          =C10&D10     Member     Floor2     1000000
                                           =C11&D11     Member     Floor2     2200000
                                           =C12&D12     Member     Floor1     1000000
                                          =C13&D13     Member     Floor1     1000000
Cross Tab >>Group     Floor1                                                                    Floor2
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     Grand Total     =SUM(I7)                                                                     =SUM(J7)
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Member     4,000,000     4,200,000
Grand Total     4,000,000     4,200,000
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Dear Experts:
I have the following scenario:
Async Proxy to XI to web service. I use BPM to make this a sync call to the web service. It works fine!
I have a XSLT mapping for the response message from the web service. I use XSLT because the structure of the positive and fault responses are different. Anyway, I could get the positive response post ok back in the XI system.
But the fault response does not get mapped and I get a APPLICATION_ERROR of category UNKNOWN in the SXMB_MONI. I also configured exception handling in the BPM. But it does not catch this error.
Can anyone suggest how to handle the fault response from the web service?
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I just had the same problem and solved it like this: I modified the WSDL slightly by removing the prefix from the reference to the element of the response message, as well as the "targetNamespace" in the xsd:schema segment of the WSDL. Like this, SAP is able to parse the response.
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Sync Web Service - BPM with 2 sync proxy calls error.

Hi.
Have a sync web service going into a BPM.
In the BPM there ar 2 sync calls towards a system making a credit check.
The answer is responded to the web service.
In our QA system the solution works perfect.
I transported the solution to production and when I test the web service call towards I get the following error.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
- 
- <SAP:Error SOAP:mustUnderstand="1" xmlns:SAP="http://sap.com/xi/XI/Message/30" xmlns:SOAP="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/">
<SAP:Category>XIServer</SAP:Category>
<SAP:Code area="INTERNAL">PL_TIMEOUT</SAP:Code>
<SAP:P1 />
<SAP:P2 />
<SAP:P3 />
<SAP:P4 />
<SAP:AdditionalText />
<SAP:Stack>Timeout condition of pipeline reached</SAP:Stack>
<SAP:Retry>M</SAP:Retry>
</SAP:Error>
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When I check my config everything looks the same.
Looks like we never send the first sync call to the proxy when I check in SXMB_MONI and the BPM gets terminated.
We have just migrated the solution from XI 3.0 to PI 7.11.
BR
Kalle

Hi.
How will that help if we do not send the message.
When I check the graphics in SXMB_MONI the error occours befor we send the first message with proxy.
Also extend ASYNC timeout?
We are using sync communication.
BR
Kalle

JSP-BPM Process-Web Service interaction

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I want to understand the JSP-BPM-Webservice interaction in Oracle BPM studio BPM Process, as we have an enterprise application having servlets, ejbs, etc, for these servlets & ejbswe are creating web services to expose their functionality, through a BPM process. We have created jsps for showing the result fetched from the external web services imported in our BPM process.
So in brief, jsp and external webservices are imported in our BPM project, configured as interactive & global activity respectively.
Please guide us for the JSP-BPM-Webservice interaction.
How to make the webservice working in response of the jsp, getResult Button? So that on pressing the button on jsp the webservice can return the result and the result can be diplayed on another jsp?
How to bind the webservice with bpm object, and pass the values through the bpm flow?
Could you please guide me through this small demo application?
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Edited by: user10952025 on Jan 11, 2010 8:43 PM

Hi Sujata
Yes we did the same, as given in some tutorials how to create the "Web service catalogue component", we did it, introspected the webservice.
Now we need to pass the inputs to the add method of the web service, so that it can return the result back to the jsp. So in order to achieve this we created one interactive activity component & object for jsp in the main BPM process and for the same jsp, one interactive activity component in the screenflow, and to interact with the webservice, we created the global activity in the main BPM process. We edited this global activity and dragged the add method definition there.
So now we are facing issues with jsp-web service interaction, they are not interacting, so we want somebody to guide us how to enable this with step by step instructions if somebody has done it already. We have already gone thru a lot of tutorials & forum but we want to resolve this asap.
Thanks & Regards
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Getting BPM response in a synchronous web service

We have a synchronous web service - an EJB whose methods are exposed as web service
methods. The EJB acts as a broker, and channels web service requests to the BPM.
Each web service request (i.e. each EJB method) needs to interact with a few AppView
services. We plan to use the BPM as an intermediate layer. Hence each EJB method
needs to start a BPM workflow, wait for its completion (as the web service is
synchronous) and get the output response XML to return to the web service client.
In this scenario, we have questions in two major areas -
1) How does the EJB get the response from the workflow? For e.g. If we use sendXMLToClient
in the workflow, how is it received by this EJB? Alternatively, is it better to
put all the response in workflow variables, and inspect it after the workflow
completes i.e. after WorkflowInstance.waitForCompletion() ? What would happen
in case of exceptions = where would they be caught?
2) There are various simultaneous tasks in the workflow, and we want to merge
the XML response of all of these. How is it best done?
Note that all of these are dynamic and need to be done in code i.e. Human intervention
through worklist / studio is not expected.
Please advise.
Regards,
Milind Prabhu
[mailto:[email protected]]

You can try the message driven bean.
It will slove your problem.
and you can use the database to save your run time xml response.
Good luck!
"Milind Prabhu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3c55830c$[email protected]..
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We have a synchronous web service - an EJB whose methods are exposed asweb service
methods. The EJB acts as a broker, and channels web service requests tothe BPM.
Each web service request (i.e. each EJB method) needs to interact with afew AppView
services. We plan to use the BPM as an intermediate layer. Hence each EJBmethod
needs to start a BPM workflow, wait for its completion (as the web serviceis
synchronous) and get the output response XML to return to the web serviceclient.
In this scenario, we have questions in two major areas -
1) How does the EJB get the response from the workflow? For e.g. If we usesendXMLToClient
in the workflow, how is it received by this EJB? Alternatively, is itbetter to
put all the response in workflow variables, and inspect it after theworkflow
completes i.e. after WorkflowInstance.waitForCompletion() ? What wouldhappen
in case of exceptions = where would they be caught?
2) There are various simultaneous tasks in the workflow, and we want tomerge
the XML response of all of these. How is it best done?
Note that all of these are dynamic and need to be done in code i.e. Humanintervention
through worklist / studio is not expected.
Please advise.
Regards,
Milind Prabhu
[mailto:[email protected]]

How can I invoke web service in BPM Object's method?

In ALBPM 5.7,AJaX can code by Call BPM Object's method.So I want to invoke web service via AJaX by BPM method.
My sample code is:
1: HelloWorldWebService ws = HelloWorldWebService();
2: String param = "John";
3: String retresult = "";
4: ws.sayHello(name : parame; out result : retresult);
and,I have import HelloWorldWebService by wsdl into catalog.
In fact,at line 1 there is a error(fuego.connector.ConnectorRuntimeException: session is not started). Web service's instance is not created.
Anybody can help me? thanks.

Hi,
I tried calling a simple webservice deployed in weblogic 8.1(see code) and it was working fine for me.
Code for WS
package service;
import com.bea.control.JwsContext;
import com.bea.jws.Protocol;
import org.xmlsoap.schemas.soap.envelope.HeaderDocument;
import com.bea.xml.XmlException;
import org.w3c.dom.Element;
import org.w3c.dom.Node;
import org.w3c.dom.NodeList;
public class CheckCredit implements com.bea.jws.WebService
* @common:context
JwsContext context;
static final long serialVersionUID = 1L;
* @common:operation
* @jws:protocol form-get="false" form-post="false"
public boolean getCreditRating(String cardNumber)
System.out.println("Card number is: " + cardNumber );
boolean result = ((int)(Math.random() *100)) % 2 == 0?true:false;
return result;
Code from ALBPM Object method
creditRatingResult as Bool
getCreditRating CheckCreditService
using cardNumber = "1234-5567-4667-4566"
returning creditRatingResult = creditRatingResult
logMessage "Result is: " + creditRatingResult
What I suggest for you problem is:
1. Check the server on which you have deployed the WS. Does it require any sort of authentication prior to connecting to the WS
2. It seems you are using Java style in ALBPM. Try switching to PBL. I don't know how it makes a difference, but sometimes it helps
Thanks and Regards
Vivek Nandey
BEA Certified Developer for Integration Solutions
[email protected]

Challenges in Implementing Inter Organisation BPM

Hi all,
What are the Technical and Business challenges for implementing collaborative BPM across the value chain?
What critical aspects need be considered for implementing Cross Organisational BPM?
Thank you,
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant
Edited by: ganesh sawant on Jul 16, 2011 8:57 PM

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Process as a Web Service WSDL client

Hi,
I am using the Process as a Web Service Option inside of BPM . I launch the deployed webservices webapps and I get the WSDL out of it.. The WSDL works fine with SOAP UI..But when I try to create a web service client out of that WSDL it gives me the following error:-
com.bea.albpm.TestProject.SampleProject.OperationException cannot be resolved as type and the web service client does not work..
how do I resolve this error.. Is there a jar file that I need to import?

Did you use PAPI code inside your web service or did u just use PAPI Web Services ( like did u just pressed the button Launch PAPI Web Services ) and it created the WSDL for you and u used it to create the client?
I am using the latest version of OBPM..
Oracle 10.3.10
Can you let me know what do u mean by PAPI interface.. Is it the PAPI code of is the PAPI Web Service which is built by BPM automatically and could be used?
Edited by: user8707382 on Sep 10, 2009 9:00 AM

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