Running CS3 alongside CS5

Hello everyone. I've received some great advice so far on this problem, and wanted to outline what we're thinking of doing if anyone has any suggestions. First of all, we're a small printing company with multiple users of Indesign CS3. 80% of the time we're using it we're just opening an existing document, change a few address and name details, maybe a picture or two, exporting to PDF, then closing it. I may be wrong but I can't see too much advantage in CS5 for this very basic type of work?
So what I'm proposing to do is upgrade our main machine that most design work is done on to CS4 now, which will also get us CS5 as well (thanks for the tip!). Then I'll use Rorohikos Soxy plugin so that all our old CS3 files open in CS3 still, which will mean all our other machines will still be able to access them. We can use CS5 for new documents and take advantage of it's new features, we're small enough that it won't be a hassle to have to use that machine for the occasional job, it's not anyones personal computer. On repeat work, which is all basic stuff like business cards, we'll save back to CS3 and keep it in that version so everyone can use them.
Apart from the fact we'll be keeping all our other machines in a time warp can anyone see any major problems? I'd love to upgrade everyone to CS5 but we simply can't afford it.

Sadly, I have lots and lots of experience with workflows involving multiple versions of ID (hooray, nonprofit management ).
Who works on that "main machine that most design work is done on?" Can that person be trusted to learn which tools and features don't backsave two versions well? Can that person be relied upon to pop open the double-backsave and review it in CS3 every single time? If the answer to either question is "no," it's a horrible idea.
Also, it's worth pointing out that there are very few people on the planet at the moment who really know how well the IDML backsave works. If you're not one of those people, I wouldn't want to base a workflow on it. It'll probably be fine, but I recall an error in an early InDesign manual that caused all kinds of furor on these forums when we discovered that it was an error, and that the INX export in InDesign CS really didn't offer a route to backsave to InDesign 2. So, if you're basing your future workflow on documentation or references to a particular feature in marketing materials, think twice.
But, barring that, I know that there are plenty of other people on the forums who will tell you that this workflow is a horrible idea, so if you can nail down (in a style guide!) exactly what CS5 users are and are not allowed to do, and can rely upon all CS5 users to obey those strict rules, then it'll probably kinda work without a huge amount of hair-pulling, assuming that IDML works as we expect it to.

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CS3:
CS5:
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