Second Stage Dealers

This is a big issue with regards to the SME markets in India. The SMEs make purchases of materials in the retail market, where the Excise duty is not transferred as a percentage of order value. It could be equal to 16.48% (which is the current ED rates), or lesser or greater than 16.48%/ Does any Indian Partner have a solution for this? if so kindly explain the same.

S Mahadevan,
I am not sure if you are asking if there is a solution created by an SAP Business One ISV, if you are looking for code samples to handle this via the Business One SDK or if you are looking for direction with respect to handling this issue via the SAP Business One application.
If it is the latter, you may want to post your question in the SAP Business One Discussion Forum at:
SAP Business One Application
If you are looking for solutions that may have been created already as an add-on ... you may want to check the SAP Business One Solution Directory on the SAP PartnerEdge Portal if you are a Business One partner. If you are a customer you can check with your SAP Business One Partner.
If you are looking for code samples specific to your question ... possibly someone here in the forum that has experiance with this can assist.
Eddy

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