Sensible benchmarks for a desktop Linux system?

By the end of the month, I'll have done a massive overhaul of my PC - going to brand spanking new just about everything. But it's not enough to just know that my new system will be faster. I want to know how much faster it is with quantifiable numbers and everything.
So one of the big things I'll be looking at will be video games. Doing that is easy though - just use something like what review sites like hardocp do and count my framerates.
But on the other side, I want to see how my linux performance changes. I know I can measure my FLOPS, Bogomips, and other numbers, but those are kind of abstract. Doesn't show anything about the applications I use every day.
So what can you guys think of that would be sensible to do for benchmarking a Linux system to get before-and-after comparisons?
My thoughts:
Page renderings in Firefox. Make some kind of convulted, ugly mess of a page to render then see how long it takes.
Code compilation - it's something I do from time to time, and easy enough to benchmark.
Video encoding and decoding - Something I do every now and then using mplayer et al
Audio encoding and decoding - I try to keep my music collection in ogg format
Rendering - I'm starting to play with Blender, maybe make a horrifically complex scene (or better yet, download one) and time the render process?
Database queries - This isn't something I do a lot on my system, but more and more applications are starting to use database backends (like amaroK although I don't use it) I think there are benchmark suites available for MySQL and Postgres
My only other thought is that I should try to measure the increase in responsiveness I get from going from a single core to dual core system. Trying to measure that is kind of tough though. Maybe a scenario where I do something arbitrary in the background, then measure dropped frames in mplayer playing a video of some sort?

meh. that benchmark sucked. Not much info given on testing environment, number of runs, etc.
Some very odd marks in there as well...makes me wonder if he just ran the tests once and said "good enough".
*shrug*

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I just read this in the latest DistroWatch Weekly:
You wouldn't expect something like this to happen at any time, let alone on the eve of Mandriva Linux 2007 release. Last week, two Mandriva developers went on record saying that "Linux is not ready for the desktop". In a web log post entitled Why I'll never use Linux for my main desktop, Vincent Danen concluded: "This kind of thing is precisely why, for me, Linux belongs on the server. Now if those kernel-developing idiots would get their act together and give us a 2.6 kernel that was a) stable and b) supported for more than a week, then I'd really be pleased." Another Mandriva developer, Fabrice Facorat, agreed. In a post called Linux ready for Desktop? Of course not!, he had this to say: "For me when you have control over the environment and the hardware, Linux is ready: think servers, workstations, thin clients, kiosks. However when you have no control on the hardware, Linux is not ready because it somewhat lacks flexibility."
There you have it, right from the horse's mouth! From two guys who have been working for a Linux company, developing a popular desktop Linux distribution, for years! Yes, that's right, Mandriva Linux is not ready for your desktop! Don't waste your money buying it!
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ughhhh. Mandrake have always sucked at marketing, they do themselves no favours. IMHO, they're becoming more and more irrelevant with each release. Once upon a time I might have reccomended mandrake to a newbie, but certainly not now. They've got great assets and a good base. The *potential* to become a good distro. But each release, stupid bugs make it through, and the improvements seem negligable.
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The distro has had countless irritating bugs which pervaded through releases, and all sorts of utterly stupid ones that should never have made it through the testing process. They do little to help themselves with this. I've reported countless bugs, and all of them have been ignored for months. On their last release, they included the old rt2500 module, which at the time, hard locked SMP machines, and made my mandriva unbootable as it was loaded on boot. I filed a bug, marked it as high priority and it was utterly ignored for more than 6 months, so much so I had forgotten about it. Other bugs and emails have suffered a similar fate.
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