Smart Collection bug with Title doesn't contain rule

Hi,
There are various articles on smart collections that check if the "Title" field is filled or not. Because the "Title" field doesn't have an "is empty" like function, the sugested solution is to use the rule:
Title   doesn't contain   a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
But there is a bug in this rule. I found that the letter 't' is causing a problem. The letter 't' seems to include all characters.
Situation:
Four images that have a their Title field as follows:
Image 1:
Image 2: 2014-01 - Street Photography.dng
Image 3: 2014-01
Image 4: Some Image
(Image 1 has an empty title)
Four smart collections with the following rules:
Collection 1: Title   doesn't contain   a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z
Collection 2: Title   doesn't contain   0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
Collection 3: Title   doesn't contain   a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,u,v,w,x,y,z
Collection 4: Title   doesn't contain   t
My expected result of the smart collections is:
Collection 1: Image 1 and Image 3
Collection 2: Image 1 and Image 4
Collection 3: Image 1 and Image 3
Collection 4: Image 1, Image 3 and Image 4
The actual result of the smart collections is:
Collection 1: Image 1
Collection 2: Image 1 and Image 4
Collection 3: Image 1 and Image 3
Collection 4: Image 1
I'm using Lightroom 5.7 on a MacBook Pro 17" (mid 2010), i7 @ 2.66GHz, 8GB RAM and 2 x 240GB SSD's running on OS X 10.10.1
My questions are:
Can anyone, specially from the Adobe Lightroom team, confirm this?
How to solve this issue?
With kind regards,
Dennis
www.idemi.nl

That is a bizarre bug. There is an even simpler way to reproduce the problem: Have two pics, one with title "a" and the other with title "t". The criterion "Title Contains a" correctly shows just the first picture, but the criterion "Title Contains t" shows both.
Searching with smart collections and filters has numerous bugs, but this one is by far the most surprising. As a geek programmer, I'd love to know what causes this!
Adobe rarely reads this forum -- I suggest you post this in the official Adobe feedback forum, which Adobe does faithfully read (but only infrequently responds).

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"Rating is not X" does not include unrated photos
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"Rating is 0" includes all photos
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+ modifiers reversed role
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! modifier doesn't work
the ! (not) modifier just doesn't work here. The smart collection just hangs. This also causes other SCs to not update their counts after start-up. Try "keyword contains !abc".
Dash ("-") is now treated as a word delimiter
In LR2 "abc-xyz" was treated as a complete word. LR3 treats it as two words: "abc" and "xyz". Not a bug, but some SCs will have to be rewritten.
"Caption is empty" doesn't work for some images
LR3 catalog has a new table in its schema: AgLibraryIPTC. This table appears to be a sort of a cache for captions and copyrights (not to confuse with copyright status). This particular SC rule seems to search in that table in instead of full xmp. However, if an image didn't contain neither a caption nor a copyright in LR2 catalog, after conversion it won't be added to the AgLibraryIPTC table. This, in its turn, will cause the "Caption is empty" rule to fail even though a photo does indeed NOT have a caption.
"Title contains t" includes all image from library
Now this is a really strange one, as I don't have any titles on any of my photos. I tried every other letter and digit, but only "t" fails the check. "Title doesn't contain t" also fails, not including any photo at all, although none of the photos have any title. Again, "t" is the only wrong letter. "T" is often used as an alias in sql joins... could it be the problem?
"Title contains <space>" hangs
Just like the "!" modifier above, this rule hangs and blocks other "healthy" SCs to not recount themselves after start-up. You need to type in a single space character into the criteria filed.
"Label Text" is case sensitive
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"All searchable metadata" doesn't search in copyright.
Note that "All searchable Text" DOES search there, but isn't the copyright field metadata? Note that LR didn't search in copyright with both rules, so this is a kind of improvement, after all.

Just for your information:
"Rating is not X" does not include unrated photos Fixed in 3.2 RC.
"Rating is 0" includes all photos somewhat fixed, but with issues
+ modifiers reversed role fixed, but with issues
! modifier doesn't work Fixed in 3.2 RC.
Dash ("-") is now treated as a word delimiter Fixed in 3.2 RC.
"Caption is empty" doesn't work for some images Fixed in 3.2 RC.
"Title contains t" includes all image from library Fixed in 3.2 RC.
"Title contains <space>" hangs not fixed
"All searchable metadata" doesn't search in copyright. not fixed, but might not be a bug
"Label Text" is case sensitive not fixed, but might not be a bug

LR3 Smart Collection Bug

Hey everyone,
I'm having issues with my smart collections in LR3.
When I set a rating to "is not" it only includes ratings higher than that. It doesn't include photos, not rated or rated lower.
Anyone else with this issue?
Cheers

Change the logic:
And report the bug.

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A smart collection of:
rating is not * (1 star)
should return images including those with no stars, but does not.
(It only returns items with 2,3,4 or 5 stars).
Mike.

Known bug.
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/657891

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Produceable 100% of the time.
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That is a bizarre bug. There is an even simpler way to reproduce the problem: Have two pics, one with title "a" and the other with title "t". The criterion "Title Contains a" correctly shows just the first picture, but the criterion "Title Contains t" shows both.
Searching with smart collections and filters has numerous bugs, but this one is by far the most surprising. As a geek programmer, I'd love to know what causes this!
Adobe rarely reads this forum -- I suggest you post this in the official Adobe feedback forum, which Adobe does faithfully read (but only infrequently responds).

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dorin_nicolaescu wrote:
Images that I marked with red are shown as a Smart Collection. Images that I marked with Green (only one) does not show. A single image that I marked with five stars shows up as a Smart Collection
What does the book say? It says "a Smart Collection is a selection filtered according to whatever rules you specify." It means the rules you specify for you r smart collection. These are default "canned" lightroom collections. The first happens to have the rule "show labelled with red", the second — "show 5-star images". Images tha match the rules defined in a SC - are displayed in that SC.
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The Smart Collections I have were created without me double-clicking on anything. The book just told me to try out some of the ways to mark images and to try out each way. All of a sudden, Smart Collections appeared with some of the marked images. I was just wondering why it stopped at some but did not do them all? Also, what if I don't want Smart Collections at this point? How do I turn it off from making arbitrary Smart Collections without my prompting?
Don't get me wrong dorin_nicolaescu, I am a beginner and know nothing. You sound like you have a good grip on what Smart Collections are and how they work. What you have writtenis helpful, especially the part about "To create a new smart collection with your own rules, click Library>New Smart Collection."
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Just to clarify, Photoshop CC has not been released yet. It will come out on June 17.
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I don't have the option of "title dosn't contain words", my option is "Title" and "doesnt contain", i.e. without the word "words". There is an option "contains words" but not "doesn't contain words".
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You could also use lower case letters in the third field.
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For example: If you have two photos:
Photo A, with: 'Big Mallard Ducks'
Photo B, with: 'Small Mallard Ducks'
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'Contains Words' is confusing as heck - I took a whack then realized I was wrong. Maybe somebody else can educate us both.
I just did this test - I have a photo with the keyword:
'Big Mallard Ducks'
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Big Mallard - matches
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Mallard Ducks - does not
Ducks Mallard - does not
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Straight from the latest help file: Contains Words
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In the Edit Smart Collection window, why when you add a new rule does it always default to "Rating"? How is that the most likely thing I want? Sure, make it the default for the first rule, but thereafter, I think it would be a lot more useful if it added another rule of the type on the line you pressed '+' on. That is, if I have a "Keywords...Doesn't Contain" rule and press the '+' button on that line, there's a better chance that I want another such rule than that I want yet another "Rating" rule.
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There's still no way to refer to one Smart Collection from another! iTunes has had this since approximately forever. It is very useful to be able to extract common rule sets from multiple Smart Collections and simply refer to it from others. We call this the DRY Principle in programming, and it's a Good Thing.
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? Thanks!

I don't know what you mean.
Are you wanting to export photos, or sync smart collection definitions with another system, or...
Please clarify and be as specific as possible - thanks.
PS - Are you talking about Lr mobile sync or some other kind of sync?
PPS - Asking users why Adobe does things may not be as productive as expressing a goal and asking how to accomplish it (most of the time, the answer to the former is: they quit working on it once their budget was exhausted, so now you get it as is - limitations and all..).
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Problems with smart collection "doesn't contain"

I have photos with keywords like
xxxxx, grand canyon,xxxxx
xxxxx, grand island, xxxxx
xxxxx, grand sable dunes, xxxxx
What I need is the abilty creat a smart collection that excludes grand canyon, but leaves in grand island, grand sable dunes
I can't get doesn't contain to work with
grand canyon
"grand canyon"
Any ideas?

Tudor asks, "What I need is the ability to create a smart collection that excludes grand canyon, but leaves in grand island, grand sable dunes".   Tudor wants to exclude "grand canyon", but include "grand island", "grand sable dunes", "red rock canyon", and presumably every other keyword except "grand canyon".
BKKDon's suggestion of
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In general, LR's text-matching operators are a mess. Inexplicably, LR doesn't have exact match, the most basic keyword operator, and without exact match, it's difficult to work with a controlled vocabulary of keywords, as this discussion and many others have highlighted. Users repeatedly get all twisted up trying to understand how to use LR's weird text-match operators.

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