Snow Leopard included apps under 10.5.8

Hi,
For a number of reasons, I am considering reverting to 10.5.8. I understand I can use SuperDuper! to make a clone of my existing SL installation. Then do an Erase & Install from a Leopard disk, update to 10.5.8 via combo installer and finally use the Migration Assistant to bring all the apps and settings back from the SL clone. My question are:
1. Will Migration Assistant bring back the SL versions of Mail, Safari, etc. or will the Leopard versions remain unaltered?
2. Are the SL versions of Mail, Safari, etc. compatible with Leopard?

JohnZonie wrote:
Hi,
For a number of reasons, I am considering reverting to 10.5.8. I understand I can use SuperDuper! to make a clone of my existing SL installation. Then do an Erase & Install from a Leopard disk, update to 10.5.8 via combo installer and finally use the Migration Assistant to bring all the apps and settings back from the SL clone. My question are:
1. Will Migration Assistant bring back the SL versions of Mail, Safari, etc. or will the Leopard versions remain unaltered?
I'm not sure about this. generally, MA will replace older versions of apps with newer ones so if it just checks the version numbers it might replace all those apps with SL ones.
2. Are the SL versions of Mail, Safari, etc. compatible with Leopard?
no, none of them will work in Leopard which is why I recommend you don't use MA to migrate applications. Migrating users might be problematic too because many preference files changed format and some application data stored in home directories changed format too and may not be readable by leopard.

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