Solutions for 2 editors working on same projects

I work as a lone video editor in a magazine publication/web design company, producing videos for our various website. I will soon to be joined by a second editor.
I would like a solution where we could easily work on each others projects from our own machines when needed.
I have looked into Edit Share, ideal but expensive, wondered what other solutions there might be out there?
Could you just use a large network drive as the capture scratch for both, would there be other issues to consider?
Many thanks
John

Final Cut Server has nothing to do with sharing files between computers or shared storage. It is a cataloging and organizational program. It helps keep track of things, but it doesn't supply bandwidth or data management across a wire. The data management in FCS is organizational only.
If you have the money for a SAN, don't look at Edit Share. I had a one month demo and I sent it back after a week. Couldn't handle capture and print to video at the same time. Couldn't even capture from two computers at the same time. You have to buy their capture module (basically a buffer) which costs extra. The overall price back then was about $56K for 6 TB.
Check out Rorke Data Systems and talk to Jim Boas. He can put together a nice package for you at the best rate around. My company is about to buy a 16TB RAID 6 SAN from them, complete with management software, and iSCSI bridge. Can get towers AND laptops connected. Used it, works perfectly. They have a managed SATA version now as well, not too pricey. The package we are getting is under $45k. But storage is cheap these days, and we are paying for connectivity to 12 edit stations. If you only have 2, that's $10k off the top. If you only need say, 6TB, that's another $10k off the top. Have tried the NAS option. Listen to Shane. It doesn't work well. Sure, some people may have tested it and say it works, but you have to wonder what they did to test it, and did they really put it through its paces. You can't test shared storage on an edit suite by importing footage and screwing around in the timeline. That's not editing. That's screwing around. If you're serious, you'll need a managed, shared storage network, independent of your LAN. DO NOT USE A TCP/IP NETWORK!!!

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Nice suggestion.
I've been researching digital asset management theory and practical applications for years. While doing so, I've been studying practices at production shops where several artists or technicians work on the same projects using remote connections and a variety of creative applications like Photoshop, Flash, and video editors. Without centralized network storage that is deliberately built into the hardware systems, all I have come across are complex processes that require careful policing and stringent adherence to filenaming and file placement conventions as well as mutual commitment from all parties to communicate openly, precisely, and on some kind of dependable schedule.
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Hi vivek!
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Does anyone have experience with having multiple editors work on the same project from different computers?

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