Sony EX3 footage

Hi,
I have Final Cut Pro on my power mac, but on my new macbook pro I only have final cut express - now I see XDCAM doesnt work on FC express but is there a way of getting the footage from the sony ex3 on there. The only way I managed is exporting it as low quality, but I need decent quality.
Cheers for any help
Damion

You'd need to convert the EX3 footage to AIC (Apple Intermideiate Codec) for editing in FCE.
-DH

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Calibrated does have a FCExpress tool but I'm going to pass on the $99 and just wait for my Avid editor to do the work. This is not what i wanted to do, not ideal. But I'm stuck.
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