Storage spaces - capacity penalty

Hello Microsoft,
I've built a test environment to decide whether the dual-parity is useable as a software raid solution.
Test environment:
- I've installed Windows 2012 R2 datacenter for this test and installed all updates on it
- Added 8 more 20GB harddisks
created a new storage pool:
$s = Get-StorageSubSystem -FriendlyName *Spaces*
$d = Get-PhysicalDisk -CanPool $true
New-StoragePool -FriendlyName "Pool1" -StorageSubSystemFriendlyName $s.FriendlyName -PhysicalDisks $d
get-storagepool "Pool1" results:
AllocatedSize= 163208757248
FriendlyName=Pool1
HealthStatus=Healthy
Size=165356240896
RepairPolicy=Parallel
Version=Windows Server 2012 R2
WriteCacheSizeMax=107374182400
SupportedProvisioningTypes={Thin, Fixed}
created a new virtual disk:
New-VirtualDisk -StoragePoolFriendlyName "Pool1" -FriendlyName "Pool1_Vd1" -UsemaximumSize -ProvisioningType Fixed -ResiliencySettingName "Parity" -PhysicalDiskRedundancy 2
I see this when I type get-virtualdisk | fl
(only relevant informations copied here)
FriendlyName=Pool1_Vd1
ResiliencySettingName=Parity
OperationalStatus=OK
HealthStatus=Helathy
IsManualAttach=False
Size=90GB
LogicalSectorSize=4096
NumberOfColumns=8
NumberOfDataCopies=1
ParityLayout=Rotated Parity
PhysicalDiskRedundancy=2
PhysicalSectorSize=4096
ProvisionongType=Fixed
Why do I loose ~44% of disk space for dual-parity ?
For an equivalent RAID6 configuration this would be 25% only !
~20% difference is too huge to use this solution!
Please explain !
Is this a feature or a bug ?
If this is a bug, then when will MS correct it ?

Hello Shaon Shan,
Thank you for your reply, I've already found that explanation. Although I do not agree with that in this concept from two aspects:
1. if MS's single parity is the same as RAID5 then the dual-parity should have different naming, because in this form this is very missleading....
2. I have just run over the following articles to try understand the background about this decision and explanation:
h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasure_code
h**p://searchstorage.techtarget.com/podcast/Erasure-coding-definition-RAID-5-RAID-6-are-most-common-forms
h**p://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Erasure-coding-versus-RAID-as-a-data-protection-method
If I understand well then this answer is not acceptable from MS, because the articles mention that the RAID5/RAID6 algorythms are already "erausre codings". If I understand well, then even with this solution if we use two columns
as parity then the resiliency is two columns = disks for storage systems. But in this case the additional data capacity is still n+2, not n+3.
Regards,
Attila

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    Manufacturer                     :
    Model                            : FUJITSU MHZ2120BH G1
    OtherCannotPoolReasonDescription :
    PartNumber                       :
    PhysicalLocation                 :
    PhysicalSectorSize               : 512
    SerialNumber                     :         K60VT9226KWM
    Size                             : 120034123776
    SlotNumber                       :
    SoftwareVersion                  :
    SpindleSpeed                     : 4294967295
    PSComputerName                   :
    CimClass                         : ROOT/Microsoft/Windows/Storage:MSFT_PhysicalDisk
    CimInstanceProperties            : {ObjectId, PassThroughClass, PassThroughIds, PassThroughNamespace...}
    CimSystemProperties              : Microsoft.Management.Infrastructure.CimSystemProperties
    The two 1TB disks are the ones in the Pool.
    Usage                             : Other
    OperationalStatus                 : OK
    HealthStatus                      : Healthy
    ProvisioningTypeDefault           : Fixed
    SupportedProvisioningTypes        : {Thin, Fixed}
    ReadOnlyReason                    : None
    RepairPolicy                      : Sequential
    RetireMissingPhysicalDisks        : Auto
    WriteCacheSizeDefault             : Auto
    FileSystem                        : Unknown
    Version                           : Windows Server 2012
    ObjectId                          : {1}\\OFFICE-PC\root/Microsoft/Windows/Storage/Providers_v2\SPACES_StoragePool.Objec
                                        tId="{cef39ebe-7fba-11e3-8250-806e6f6e6963}:SP:{47405101-f1b2-11e1-be68-00247e572b9
                                        2}"
    PassThroughClass                  :
    PassThroughIds                    :
    PassThroughNamespace              :
    PassThroughServer                 :
    UniqueId                          : {47405101-f1b2-11e1-be68-00247e572b92}
    AllocatedSize                     : 1912871059456
    ClearOnDeallocate                 : False
    EnclosureAwareDefault             : False
    FriendlyName                      : StoragePool
    IsClustered                       : False
    IsPowerProtected                  : False
    IsPrimordial                      : False
    IsReadOnly                        : False
    LogicalSectorSize                 : 4096
    Name                              :
    OtherOperationalStatusDescription :
    OtherUsageDescription             :
    PhysicalSectorSize                : 4096
    ResiliencySettingNameDefault      : Mirror
    Size                              : 1998770405376
    SupportsDeduplication             : False
    ThinProvisioningAlertThresholds   : {70}
    WriteCacheSizeMax                 : 107374182400
    WriteCacheSizeMin                 : 0
    PSComputerName                    :
    CimClass                          : ROOT/Microsoft/Windows/Storage:MSFT_StoragePool
    CimInstanceProperties             : {ObjectId, PassThroughClass, PassThroughIds, PassThroughNamespace...}
    CimSystemProperties               : Microsoft.Management.Infrastructure.CimSystemProperties
    Usage                             : Other
    OperationalStatus                 : OK
    HealthStatus                      : Healthy
    ProvisioningTypeDefault           : Fixed
    SupportedProvisioningTypes        : {Thin, Fixed}
    ReadOnlyReason                    : None
    RepairPolicy                      : Parallel
    RetireMissingPhysicalDisks        : Auto
    WriteCacheSizeDefault             : Auto
    FileSystem                        : Unknown
    Version                           : Windows Server 2012 R2
    ObjectId                          : {1}\\OFFICE-PC\root/Microsoft/Windows/Storage/Providers_v2\SPACES_StoragePool.Objec
                                        tId="{cef39ebe-7fba-11e3-8250-806e6f6e6963}:SP:{cef39ebf-7fba-11e3-8250-806e6f6e696
                                        3}"
    PassThroughClass                  :
    PassThroughIds                    :
    PassThroughNamespace              :
    PassThroughServer                 :
    UniqueId                          : {cef39ebf-7fba-11e3-8250-806e6f6e6963}
    AllocatedSize                     : 2000137748480
    ClearOnDeallocate                 : False
    EnclosureAwareDefault             : False
    FriendlyName                      : Primordial
    IsClustered                       : False
    IsPowerProtected                  : False
    IsPrimordial                      : True
    IsReadOnly                        : False
    LogicalSectorSize                 :
    Name                              :
    OtherOperationalStatusDescription :
    OtherUsageDescription             :
    PhysicalSectorSize                :
    ResiliencySettingNameDefault      : Mirror
    Size                              : 2120443895296
    SupportsDeduplication             : False
    ThinProvisioningAlertThresholds   : {70}
    WriteCacheSizeMax                 : 107374182400
    WriteCacheSizeMin                 : 0
    PSComputerName                    :
    CimClass                          : ROOT/Microsoft/Windows/Storage:MSFT_StoragePool
    CimInstanceProperties             : {ObjectId, PassThroughClass, PassThroughIds, PassThroughNamespace...}
    CimSystemProperties               : Microsoft.Management.Infrastructure.CimSystemProperties
    Usage                             : Other
    NameFormat                        :
    OperationalStatus                 : Detached
    HealthStatus                      : Unhealthy
    ProvisioningType                  : Thin
    ParityLayout                      : Unknown
    Access                            : Read/Write
    UniqueIdFormat                    : Vendor Specific
    DetachedReason                    : Incomplete
    WriteCacheSize                    : 0
    ObjectId                          : {1}\\OFFICE-PC\root/Microsoft/Windows/Storage/Providers_v2\SPACES_VirtualDisk.Objec
                                        tId="{cef39ebe-7fba-11e3-8250-806e6f6e6963}:VD:{47405101-f1b2-11e1-be68-00247e572b9
                                        2}{4740510d-f1b2-11e1-be68-00247e572b92}"
    PassThroughClass                  :
    PassThroughIds                    :
    PassThroughNamespace              :
    PassThroughServer                 :
    UniqueId                          : 0D514047B2F1E111BE6800247E572B92
    AllocatedSize                     : 955898658816
    FootprintOnPool                   : 1911797317632
    FriendlyName                      : Storage space
    Interleave                        : 262144
    IsDeduplicationEnabled            : False
    IsEnclosureAware                  : False
    IsManualAttach                    : False
    IsSnapshot                        : False
    LogicalSectorSize                 : 4096
    Name                              :
    NumberOfAvailableCopies           :
    NumberOfColumns                   : 1
    NumberOfDataCopies                : 2
    OtherOperationalStatusDescription :
    OtherUsageDescription             :
    PhysicalDiskRedundancy            : 1
    PhysicalSectorSize                : 4096
    RequestNoSinglePointOfFailure     : False
    ResiliencySettingName             : Mirror
    Size                              : 998579896320
    UniqueIdFormatDescription         :
    PSComputerName                    :
    CimClass                          : ROOT/Microsoft/Windows/Storage:MSFT_VirtualDisk
    CimInstanceProperties             : {ObjectId, PassThroughClass, PassThroughIds, PassThroughNamespace...}
    CimSystemProperties               : Microsoft.Management.Infrastructure.CimSystemProperties

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    Size
                        me                                                                                                
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              Program                    SAPLMCB1
              Include                    LMCB1F20
              Row                    200
              Module type                    (FORM)
              Module Name                    LIS_VERBUCHUNG
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         Line          SourceCde               
         170                    xmcbest = xmcbest.          
         171              ENDIF.          
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         174                CALL FUNCTION 'MCB_STATISTICS_UPD_V2' IN UPDATE TASK          
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         176                    zeitp   = con_zeitp          
         177                  TABLES          
         178                    xmcmseg = xmcmseg          
         179                    xmcbest = xmcbest.          
         180                    
         181              ENDIF.          
         182              IF flg_b NE space.          
         183          * V3-Verbuchung starten          
         184                CALL FUNCTION 'MCB_STATISTICS_UPD_V3' IN UPDATE TASK          
         185                  EXPORTING          
         186                    zeitp   = con_zeitp          
         187                  TABLES          
         188                    xmcmseg = xmcmseg          
         189                    xmcbest = xmcbest.          
         190                    
         191              ENDIF.          
         192              IF flg_bw NE space.          
         193                SET EXTENDED CHECK OFF.          
         194          *     Preparation for new update process (plug-in system).          
         195          *     See note 486784.          
         196                DATA if_release TYPE i.                         "interface release          
         197                if_release = 1.          
         198                PERFORM mcex_if_release_03 IN PROGRAM saplmcex CHANGING if_release          
         199                   IF FOUND.          
         >>>>>                IF if_release >= 2.          
         201                  CALL FUNCTION 'MCEX_UPDATE_CALL_03'          
         202                    EXPORTING          
         203                      zeitp         = con_zeitp          
         204                      contr         = hlp_control          
         205                      i_update_task = 'X'          
         206                    TABLES          
         207                      xmcbest       = xmcbest          
         208                      xmcmseg       = xmcmseg.          
         209                ELSE.          
         210                  CALL FUNCTION 'MCEX_UPDATE_03' IN UPDATE TASK          
         211                    EXPORTING          
         212                      zeitp   = con_zeitp          
         213                      contr   = hlp_control          
         214                    TABLES          
         215                      xmcbest = xmcbest          
         216                      xmcmseg = xmcmseg.          
         217                ENDIF.          
         218                SET EXTENDED CHECK ON.          
         219              ENDIF.          
    Regards,
    Rao.

    Hi,
    For error
    Runtime Errors PXA_NO_FREE_SPACE
    For this look for increasing the SAP profile parameter value abap/buffersize
    Hope this helps.
    Regards,
    Deepak Kori

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