Sub Layers inside of Web Layer - Re ordering

I am trying to re-order sublayers in the Web Layer. It is realy for organizational purposes but I would still like to do it. Does anyone know if there is some kind of trick to get this to work. All the other non-Web layers allow the re-ordering of sublayers as expected.
Regards,
Steve

I can't imagine why you would attempt to crearte web layer sub layers. The web layer is active across all layers on a selected page. As each page has its own web layer, you can create a different slicing template for each page.

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