Tempdb won't shrink
SQL 2008 R2
We’ve been on SQL 2008 R2 for about a year and have had zero tempdb problems.
SQL does a good job of managing its size, until now.
Tempdb is configured with 8 data files and 1 log file.
Each data file is 250 mb and the log is 2 gb, for a total/initial size of 4gb.
In the last week it’s grown to 11 gb and I can’t shrink it.
There are zero open trans, and dbcc shrinkfile truncateonly and specifying a size do nothing.
We bounced the server and tempdb came back at the exact 11 gb size.
Even after the reboot with nothing going on with the server I can’t shrink it.
No, we’re not having space issues but obviously something is going on that I’d like to get to the bottom of.
I’ve read kb 307487 several times so I don’t need a link to it, thanks.
Does anyone have any idea why this just happened, and more importantly what to do?
Is my only option to start SQL in minimal config mode and address it that way?
Obviously that’s a tough thing to do with a Prod box.
Thanks in advance,
André
André
Hi,
Just to confirm are you checking the file sizes via ssms, looking at the file system or script?
If possible can you run the following to double check.
USE [tempdb]
GO
EXEC sp_spaceused @updateusage = N'TRUE';
GO
EXEC sp_msforeachtable 'EXEC sp_spaceused ''?'''
GO
SELECT
mf.[file_id] [FileID]
,sf.[name] [LogicalName]
,mf.[type_desc] [FileType]
,FILEPROPERTY(sf.[name],'SpaceUsed')*CONVERT(FLOAT,8) [SpaceUsed_KB]
,(sf.[size]-FILEPROPERTY(sf.[name],'SpaceUsed'))*CONVERT(FLOAT,8) [AvailableSpace_KB]
,sf.[size] * CONVERT(FLOAT,8) [Size_KB]
,LTRIM(CASE mf.[is_percent_growth] WHEN 1 THEN STR(mf.[growth]) +' %' ELSE STR(mf.[growth]*CONVERT(FLOAT,8))+' KB' END) [AutoGrowth]
FROM sys.master_files mf
INNER JOIN sys.database_files sf ON mf.[file_id] = sf.[file_id] AND mf.[database_id] = DB_ID()
GO
Jon
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IKBTRN1> show parameter workarea;
NAME TYPE VALUE
workarea_size_policy string AUTO
oraipeikbtrn1:/home/oracle-> ulimit -a
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data(kbytes) unlimited
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processes(per user) unlimited
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WORKLOAD REPOSITORY report for
DB Name DB Id Instance Inst num Startup Time Release RAC
IKBTRN1 54659199 IKBTRN1 1 06-Jun-11 02:06 11.2.0.1.0 NO
Host Name Platform CPUs Cores Sockets Memory (GB)
oraipeikbtrn1.******.com AIX-Based Systems (64-bit) 12 6 16.00
Snap Id Snap Time Sessions Cursors/Session
Begin Snap: 5952 26-Aug-11 03:00:48 34 2.0
End Snap: 5953 26-Aug-11 04:00:52 32 1.9
Elapsed: 60.07 (mins)
DB Time: 1.93 (mins)
Report Summary
Cache Sizes
Begin End
Buffer Cache: 1,056M 704M Std Block Size: 8K
Shared Pool Size: 3,456M 3,456M Log Buffer: 7,184K
Load Profile
Load Profile
Per Second Per Transaction Per Exec Per Call
DB Time(s): 0.0 2.0 0.02 0.02
DB CPU(s): 0.0 0.5 0.00 0.00
Redo size: 556.1 34,554.8
Logical reads: 151.4 9,407.6
Block changes: 1.9 119.8
Physical reads: 14.2 882.6
Physical writes: 9.5 590.4
User calls: 1.8 112.8
Parses: 1.5 93.7
Hard parses: 0.1 8.9
W/A MB processed: -0.1 -6.9
Logons: 0.0 1.6
Executes: 1.9 115.4
Rollbacks: 0.0 0.0
Transactions: 0.0
Instance Efficiency Percentages (Target 100%)
Buffer Nowait %: 100.00 Redo NoWait %: 100.00
Buffer Hit %: 96.63 In-memory Sort %: 99.97
Library Hit %: 95.68 Soft Parse %: 90.49
Execute to Parse %: 18.74 Latch Hit %: 100.00
Parse CPU to Parse Elapsd %: 57.23 % Non-Parse CPU: 86.28
Shared Pool Statistics
Begin End
Memory Usage %: 85.72 85.76
% SQL with executions>1: 93.91 96.66
% Memory for SQL w/exec>1: 89.07 87.04
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Event Waits Time(s) Avg wait (ms) % DB time Wait Class
DB CPU 29 24.66
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db file sequential read 4,304 17 4 14.77 User I/O
direct path read temp 764 17 22 14.31 User I/O
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Host CPU (CPUs: 12 Cores: 6 Sockets: )
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Instance CPU
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Foreground Wait Class
• s - second, ms - millisecond - 1000th of a second
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Other 506 88 1 2 0.92
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direct path read temp 764 0 17 22 13.17 14.31
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log buffer space 2 50 1 500 0.03 0.86
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local write wait 44 0 0 1 0.76 0.03
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control file parallel write 1,262 0 31 25 21.76 36.46
log file parallel write 383 0 4 10 6.60 4.37
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change tracking file synchronous read 56 0 2 34 0.97 2.21
os thread startup 17 0 1 88 0.29 1.74
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change tracking file synchronous write 56 0 1 15 0.97 0.98
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process diagnostic dump 94 0 0 1 1.62 0.09
ADR block file write 92 0 0 1 1.59 0.07
LGWR wait for redo copy 11 0 0 1 0.19 0.01
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direct path write 6 0 0 1 0.10 0.00
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rdbms ipc message 17,637 97 61,836 3506 304.09
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pmon timer 1,212 99 3,603 2973 20.90
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smon timer 12 100 3,600 300004 0.21
Streams AQ: qmn slave idle wait 128 0 3,583 27993 2.21
Streams AQ: qmn coordinator idle wait 256 50 3,583 13996 4.41
SQL*Net message from client 293 0 2 5 5.05
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• % of Waits: column heading of <=1s is truly <1024ms, >1s is truly >=1024ms
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% of Waits
Event Total Waits <1ms <2ms <4ms <8ms <16ms <32ms <=1s >1s
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ADR block file write 99 96.0 3.0 1.0
ADR file lock 102 100.0
Disk file operations I/O 165 100.0
LGWR wait for redo copy 11 90.9 9.1
Parameter File I/O 24 100.0
SGA: allocation forcing component growth 8 100.0
SQL*Net break/reset to client 6 100.0
SQL*Net message to client 4992 100.0
SQL*Net more data from client 20 100.0
asynch descriptor resize 541 100.0
change tracking file synchronous read 56 83.9 1.8 14.3
change tracking file synchronous write 56 80.4 7.1 1.8 10.7
control file parallel write 1262 80.3 1.7 .6 .6 .8 1.3 14.7
control file sequential read 6866 94.1 .9 .7 .7 .3 .4 2.9
db file parallel write 628 94.3 2.1 1.0 .8 .3 .3 1.3
db file scattered read 3457 72.6 7.2 5.4 6.9 5.7 .5 1.6
db file sequential read 4525 78.7 2.7 1.8 9.6 5.3 .4 1.5
direct path read temp 764 40.2 18.6 9.4 6.2 11.0 5.8 8.9
direct path sync 1 100.0
direct path write 6 83.3 16.7
direct path write temp 259 .4 1.2 88.8 .4 9.3
enq: RO - fast object reuse 14 42.9 42.9 7.1 7.1
latch free 1 100.0
latch: cache buffers lru chain 2 100.0
latch: checkpoint queue latch 2 100.0
latch: messages 2 100.0
latch: object queue header operation 2 100.0
latch: redo allocation 1 100.0
latch: row cache objects 1 100.0
local write wait 44 100.0
log buffer space 2 50.0 50.0
log file parallel write 383 92.4 .8 1.0 5.7
log file sync 39 82.1 2.6 2.6 12.8
os thread startup 17 100.0
process diagnostic dump 94 34.0 63.8 2.1
reliable message 7 100.0
utl_file I/O 12 100.0
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PX Idle Wait 1802 100.0
SQL*Net message from client 5067 87.1 6.6 1.0 .5 .5 .1 .5 3.7
Space Manager: slave idle wait 726 .6 99.4
Streams AQ: qmn coordinator idle wait 256 49.2 .8 50.0
Streams AQ: qmn slave idle wait 128 100.0
Streams AQ: waiting for messages in the queue 721 100.0
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class slave wait 17 100.0
pmon timer 1212 .9 99.1
rdbms ipc message 17.6K 1.8 .4 .2 .2 .1 .1 21.0 76.2
smon timer 12 100.0
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I couldnt add the rest of the report here since it is telling me I have exceeded 30000 characters. If you want to see the full report, please email me at [email protected]Unless your database is strictly a DSS-type of database, your AWR report exposes loads of issues with it. And I think none of the time during the AWR window was spent on database. Look at the DB time (with all those multi cores) compared with the elapsed time of the AWR.
As you are on 11g, why not make use of MEMORY_TARGET (a single parameter to manage both SGA and PGA)? If you are already on it, ignore this as I can't see it anywhere. If not, get rid of SGA_TARGET and PGA_AGGREGATE_TARGET and replace it with a single MEMORY_TARGET parameter. However you may have a minimum threshold set for different SGA pools so that they won't shrink beyond that point.
Having said that, setting MEMORY_TARGET is not a guarantee to avoid ORA-4030. Just a single bad PL/SQL code could go and exploit the untunable part of your process memory and even go and blow up the physical memory. If you are using FORALL and BULK load, see if you can cut it down into few chunks rather than running as a single process.
What does your V$PGASTAT say? -
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Currently I have 16,000 records. I am not sure what is going on, the size of the previous successful output xml file is about 2M. I also noticed when the stored procedure runs with 3G of system memory available, it basically used up all the memory and cpu time. The store proc consistently dies after 3.5 hour and spits out the ORA-04030 out of process memory error.
Does anyone have any suggestion what to look for or what parameters I need to set? ThanksUnless your database is strictly a DSS-type of database, your AWR report exposes loads of issues with it. And I think none of the time during the AWR window was spent on database. Look at the DB time (with all those multi cores) compared with the elapsed time of the AWR.
As you are on 11g, why not make use of MEMORY_TARGET (a single parameter to manage both SGA and PGA)? If you are already on it, ignore this as I can't see it anywhere. If not, get rid of SGA_TARGET and PGA_AGGREGATE_TARGET and replace it with a single MEMORY_TARGET parameter. However you may have a minimum threshold set for different SGA pools so that they won't shrink beyond that point.
Having said that, setting MEMORY_TARGET is not a guarantee to avoid ORA-4030. Just a single bad PL/SQL code could go and exploit the untunable part of your process memory and even go and blow up the physical memory. If you are using FORALL and BULK load, see if you can cut it down into few chunks rather than running as a single process.
What does your V$PGASTAT say? -
I've been working with flex for a few weeks now, and I've
come across this odd behavior in the Image class. The livedocs
state that the default value for the scaleContent property of an
Image object is 'true'. This is the case, and when setting the
width or height of my image it scales correctly. The problem is
that the container that holds the object only scales with the
explicitly set value and leaves the other as its original size.
The following code is a small testcase to show the behavior
in action.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<mx:Application xmlns:mx="
http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml"
layout="absolute">
<mx:Style>
.test {
cornerRadius: 0;
headerHeight: 0;
borderThickness: 1;
dropShadowEnabled: false;
borderStyle: solid;
backgroundColor: #333333;
borderColor: #ff0000;
titleStyleName: "myTitleStyle";
</mx:Style>
<mx:Box styleName="test">
<mx:Image source="glassdoor.jpg" height="32"/>
</mx:Box>
</mx:Application>
You'll have to replace the image name with one that you
provide, and set the height to something smaller that the image's
height to see the effect. The box's red border shows that it
realizes the image is 32 pixels in height, but doesn't seem to know
what to do with the implicitly scaled width. Any ideas? Am I doing
something wrong, or is this a bug? Since the box normally conforms
to the size of the object inside it, I would have expected it to
shrink on both parameters to continue hugging the outside of my
newly-scaled image.The problem is that when the Box asks the Image for its size
it can only report the explicity set height. When the Image tag
loads its source it scales it to make the size you set (32 high)
but doesn't change its width - it is the Image and not the Box that
is causing what you see. The Image won't shrink to fit the image
loaded. Try adding horizontalAlign="center" to the Image and see if
the loaded source floats in the middle.
Using horizontalAlign and verticalAlign on the Image tag
aligns the actual image within the Image tag space. For example, if
you have <mx:Image width="100" height="100"
horizontalAlign="center" verticalAlign="middle" /> and you load
in a 300x600 image, the image will be scaled to 50x100 and be
centered within the 100x100 area of the Image tag.
In general, if you cannot give an explicit size, give a
minWidth or minHeight, so the measurement phase of the Flex
component layout cycle has something to work with. -
Deficit of Customer stock unr. 0.001 CV : MM12345 1000 batch W
Hi Gurus,
Created batch upload of consignment sales with auto dr.
Upon doing pgi; Deficit of Customer stock unr. 1.001 CV : MM12345 1000 batch W.
My question is. How come this is happening when i have availability check active iand it allocated stocks for these deliveries?
Thanks in advance!
-JokerUnless your database is strictly a DSS-type of database, your AWR report exposes loads of issues with it. And I think none of the time during the AWR window was spent on database. Look at the DB time (with all those multi cores) compared with the elapsed time of the AWR.
As you are on 11g, why not make use of MEMORY_TARGET (a single parameter to manage both SGA and PGA)? If you are already on it, ignore this as I can't see it anywhere. If not, get rid of SGA_TARGET and PGA_AGGREGATE_TARGET and replace it with a single MEMORY_TARGET parameter. However you may have a minimum threshold set for different SGA pools so that they won't shrink beyond that point.
Having said that, setting MEMORY_TARGET is not a guarantee to avoid ORA-4030. Just a single bad PL/SQL code could go and exploit the untunable part of your process memory and even go and blow up the physical memory. If you are using FORALL and BULK load, see if you can cut it down into few chunks rather than running as a single process.
What does your V$PGASTAT say? -
Problem creating dmg...
Hi, All -
When I try to creat a dmg, using the "Disk image from Folder" command, after I've selected (clicked) on that command, I'm taken to a window titled "Select Folder to Image." After I selec the proper folder, I click the "Image" button and am taken to another "New Image from Folder" window, where I enter the dmg title, destination, choose "compression," select "none" for encryption, and click on the save button.
Three times, after the resulting progress graph had reached its end, I received an error message, "unable to create ' xxxxx'" (file name) and error 49168. On the 4th attempt, the graph, at about 20%, resulted in a dmg that was already 2.36gb, and still growing, when I finally hit the cancel button. I think I may have select the wrong folder to copy. LOL The folder I was trying to convert to a dmg was only 10.8mb.
On my next attempt, the result was the same as the first 3 attempts. I HAVE been able been able to create an empty dmg of 15mb, and another of 10mb.
Help!!!!!!!
TIA
PhilHi Phil:
If you are trying to use a disk image to shrink pdf's, then that is the wrong approach. They won't
shrink much unless they are optimized. If you have access to adobe acrobat professional, it will
reduce a non optimized pdf to around 10% of its non optimized size.
Here is a alternate program that does basically the same thing as adobe:
PDF Shrink 4.5
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9206
Split and concat can split files files into smaller chunks for reassembly on the receiving end.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~loekjehe/Split&Concat/
Stuffit Deluxe will compress files smaller than anything else I have found:
http://my.smithmicro.com/mac/stuffit/index.html
Kj
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