The Limits of Dynamic Link...

I'm working on an all green screen video. I did my cut in PPRo CS3, then opened the project in AE CS3. I used keylight to do all the keying, then used Dynamic Link to bring the project back into PPro.
Upon trying to render it, it stopped and gave the following error...
AfterFX.exe
The exception unknown software exception (0x40000015) occurred in the application at location 0x05ac38da
The whole dynamic linked clip is about 6 1/2 minutes. I've noticed that as I create clips in AE that are very complex, it can crash PPro when attempting to import them. I've even had an error come up that mentions something about Visual C++ and then shuts down PPro. The only way to reopen PPro is to reboot the computer.
Anyone else notice anything like that? Am I just pushing the bounds of dynamic link?
BTW - I'm running a dual quad-core 2Ghz, 6GB RAM, XP, Quadro 1500 video card...

>Am I just pushing the bounds of dynamic link?
Most certainly. Consider the following: Whenever you use Dynamic Link, the main program, in this case Premiere, takes up memory (up to about 1.2 GB depending on the situation). Then a full instance of AE is launched as a background process, taking up another xxx MB in your RAM. This is without any processing going on. Now add to that the xxx MB that XP has a tight grip on and is not available for programs. So even under ideal conditions, you have lost 2 GB without having actually done anything. When you the add HD footage and memory hungry keyers (which they all are), you easily hit the wall. This is further compounded by processing overhead due to required color space conversions between Premiere and AE's render engine. So in short: unless you really are on a 64bit OS, especially the combination of PRemiere and AE in that manner does not realyl make sense and you would do better to render the clips directly from AE.
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