The real reason why Apple claims the "whine" is within specs...
...the crew at Apple must be too old to hear it. :-]
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/12/technology/12ring.html?ex=1150257600&en=d10bb7 67a0806d37&ei=5087%0A
It hinders my performance to be annoyed for hours on
end.
Fair enough, that's a good point. Especially if someone went from a powerbook (which I found silent) to this machine (which is clearly not).
Yes my machine does have the whine Mr. Che (we all know that they have different intensities), hence why I check posts like these to see if people have gotten word from APPLE as to its origin. But like others, I don't let it get to me - rather I wait for an official report of a "fix".
I was merely saying that this is a SUPPORT FORUM, and it is annoying to open up posts to see that it has NOTHING to do with gaining support for problems; hence why I reply since I already looked at the post, so has now made it worth my time to put in my opinion.
With that said, there should be a non-support section so users like the one above, (that like I even admitted, offered a very humorous post) has a place to put their non-technical gripes so that people that are LOOKING for SUPPORT, don't end up reading what they would consider nonsense.
I understand I was going to get crap about this, but maybe it will hopefully open the administration's eyes to have a section for "non support" based chat - because it's important to laugh and complain about our problems with our device, but not here, where the goal is to gain support, not to complain or joke.
But then again, what do I know? It's not like I don't have a "helpful response bar" under my name (like many of the users that provide real technical feedback here).
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I'm curious how the Geniuses check the case temperatures to see if they are within spec. I spoke to someone on phone support, and they told me "anything 110-113 F or higher is out of spec", which is fine and I can test that with a laser temperature guage. But HOW are they testing that? If that's the max temp, should I be hitting the machine with a bunch of intensive stuff (e.g. maybe convert a large .AVI to .MOV?) or something else to simulate what they will do at the Apple Store?
If they are just going to turn it on and wait a few minutes while it idles, that's absurd I think (I heard this is what they do). Shouldn't they be taxing the machine a bit to get it up to temperatures that one would normally see?
I have an appointment tonight, but I'd like to test the temps before I go. So it'd be immenseley useful if I knew HOW they are going to test the temps.
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I have a feeling they will most likely send it back with "no trouble found" :/ He did note that I was seeing a temperature of up to 145 F above the F2 key. I have the repair # so I'm going to call customer relations tomorrow and see if they will make sure they take this seriously.
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I work for a large Education Institution and manage a 2008 XServe running 10.6.8 to service the Apple fleet with Apple Software Updates locally within the organisation. Now 10.8 Client is released I find that for me to service updates to 10.8 I need to be running 10.8 Server. So I head off to the App Store and find that 10.8 server will only run on XServe's 2009 or above.
Typical Apple - we are open and encourage freedom and expression but purchase Apple and we have you locked in for life. Very disappointed.
So now I have to fork out more $$$ to get another Mac to be able to run 10.8 Server so I can service 10.8 updates to my Apple fleet.
If anyone knows a way around this little issue please let me know.
Apple - very disappointed - yet again.
Cheers - Paul
Message was edited by: kroebHi.
There is a workaround to make the 2008 XServe work on Mountain Lion, and i have a 2008 XServe running Mountain Lion Server quite happily. It involves hacking the platformsupport.plist file in the Mountain Lion installer, and then afterward copying across the Lion drivers for the ATI X1300 graphics card. The only downside appears to be that while the drivers work, the graphics are a little sluggish and Apple Remote Desktop is a little sluggish too. Though to keep a £3000 server running, that is a small price to pay for me, especially as most people who use XServes don't even have monitors plugged into them anyway! I've also not managed to get the old Server Monitor app to work, so i'm having to use iStat to monitor fans, disk activity and such.
Here is the thread on Macrumors with all the details.
Though i'm sure i don't need to tell you that as it's unsupported, think twice and do a lot of testing before applying this to a production server in the future. Also be wary how future updates may stop it from working!
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1325709
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APPLE SUPPORT SAYS ALL MACBOOKS HAVE THE WHINE.
For those of you who want to know,
and for those who insist they don't have the whine....
I've just talked to a second-level technical support chief who literally said that the MacBook Pro whine stays within Apple's Specs, and that there are no MacBooks without the noise.
Hope this brings some light to the discussion, so here is my (hypo)thesis:
1) you can't hear due to hearing problems
2) you can't hear it due to lack of hearing education
3) you can't hear it due to environmental noise, or
4) you just don't want to hear it.
Some people say (Germany) that 2 GB RAM stops the whine. There are some recent post about this. I pray to the Lord (of The Rings) this is true.
I've finished with this. In my case there is no change (first 15 days have passed, and the laptop is OK says Apple) nor support (it is within specs).
Bye.For those of you who want to know,
and for those who insist they don't have the
whine....
I've just talked to a second-level technical
support chief who literally said that the MacBook Pro
whine stays within Apple's Specs, and that there are
no MacBooks without the noise.
Hope this brings some light to the discussion, so
here is my (hypo)thesis:
1) you can't hear due to hearing problems
2) you can't hear it due to lack of hearing
education
3) you can't hear it due to environmental noise, or
4) you just don't want to hear it.
I went to the trouble of recording my whine-free MacBook, and sending you the recording. I've had my students all listen, they don't detect a whine. But according to the above, you believe we are hearing impaired, ignorant, in a masking environment, or in denial.
Those of us with whine-free MacBooks could put pay to the "they're all like that" argument, but since we're being labelled as above, then perhaps we should just sit back and enjoy our machines and let the 'whiners' sort out their own issues. Good luck, guys. -
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The reason for Apple's silence on the whine issue (my theory)
As you get older , your ability to hear high pitched noises diminishes. This is a well documented fact, and if you don't believe me go here:
http://www.diyhappy.com/bug-some-of-them-darn-teenagers-or-create-an-adult-proof -ringtone/
listen to the sound and read the comments. (Note: The macbook pro speakers don't seem to be able to reproduce the high frequencies, but I can hear the noise with my desk speakers). YMMV.
Some stores in Europe play this sound over speakers to keep the kids away. It's so annoying it feels like your brain is being fried. However, old people don't even notice and go about their shopping as if nothing was happening.
Although the pitch is slightly higher in the recording mentioned above, perhaps the apple engineers are simply old and can't hear the noise. I know I can hear it - it drives me absolutely nuts. I have to run that "quiet macbookpro" program to get rid of it, eating into my CPU cycles and battery life. This is **** poor service from Apple in my opinion.
The worst thing about it is that this all seems to point to an issue that can be fixed via software. It's a simple matter of tuning the throttling software a bit to fix the noise. It boggles my mind why apple wouldn't simply release a patch to fix this once and for all.
Anyway, what do you guys think of my theory? The Mac bar "geniuses" might all have poor hearing too.Interesting theory, but it has flaws.
First off, the Genius Bar employees are frequently not much older than high school graduates where I live. If you want to ensure they can hear it, ask them to find a quiet room in the store. Mind you, the problem of asking the Genius Bar employees to hear a high pitched sound after working in such loud music, is they are already probably partially deaf from being exposed to the loud music in the store, and will be for some time until they are out of the exposure of that loud music. The store I go to is never quiet, but who knows if they have a sound proof room in back. Ambient noises can obscure sounds like those too. I would call AppleCare and ask to have the machine mailed to their service center with specific instructions to take the machine into a sound proof room by someone whose hearing has not been compromised. Perhaps even include a printed page of the website and tape it to the MacBook or MacBook Pros when you send it in. -
Con't
Apple claims that because I did not drain my battery frequently and kept it plugged in for extended periods of time, that it is my fault the battery is failing. I disagree because I was not ever told to consistently drain my battery before recharging or not to keep it on and plugs in for extended periods of time. I do keep my desktop computer on most of the time and that is why I have kept my Macbook air on for extended time periods. I feel that Applecare should cover this battey issue and not charge me for replacing the battey. I feel I should have been told to not keep my computer consistently running on with poweror the battery will fail. Has anyone had this problem? Apple should replace my battery under Apple care as my battery does not keep a charge anymore.
I'll wait to hear.You said---Apple claims that because I did not drain my battery frequently
You said--- I was not ever told to consistently drain my battery before recharging
You should never do that on purpose, whoever told you that had it wrong or you misunderstood something
Sure you dont have that backwards? thats exactly what you DONT want to do.
Did you often drain the battery very low? that would explain a lot.
Someone might have been misinformed about "battery calibration" regarding much older Macs with removable batteries (see bottom)
You said-----I do keep my desktop computer on most of the time and that is why I have kept my Macbook air on for extended time periods.
thats a problem there, youre not supposed to do that.
Keeping batteries connected to a charger ensures that periodic "top-ups" do very minor but continuous damage to individual cells, hence Apples recommendation above: “Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time”, …this is because “Li-ion degrades fastest at high state-of-charge”.
This is also the same reason new Apple notebooks are packaged with 50% charges and not 100%.
http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html
"Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time."
*If you don’t plan on using it for a few hours, turn it OFF (plugged in or otherwise) ..*You don’t want your Macbook both always plugged in AND in sleep mode (When portable devices are charging and in the on or sleep position, the current that is drawn through the device is called the parasitic load and will alter the dynamics of charge cycle. Battery manufacturers advise against parasitic loading because it induces mini-cycles.)
Keep it plugged in when near a socket so you keep the charging cycles down on your LiPo (lithium polymer) cells / battery, but not plugged in all the time. When not being used for several hours, turn it off.
And best "tip" is if its near a socket,...plug it in as long as you can (especially at home) since cycle count on the battery are the "miles that wear out the tires (battery)", however again, not plugged in all or most of the time.
General rule to remember of Lithium batteries is:
Never drain them LOW & dont always/often store them HIGH
While cycle count is commonly seen to be the “miles” on your Lithium Ion pack cell in your Macbook, which they are, this distinction is not a fine line at all, and it is a big misconception to “count charge cycles”
*A person who has, for example, 300 charge cycles on their battery and is recharging at say 50-60% remaining of a 100% charge has better battery usage and care than another person who has 300 charge cycles at say 15% remaining on a 100% charge.
DoD (depth of discharge) is far more important on the wear and tear on your Macbook battery than any mere charge cycle count. *There is no set “mile” or wear from a charge cycle in general OR in specific. As such, contrary to popular conception, counting cycles is not conclusive whatsoever, rather the amount of deep DoD on an averaged scale of its use and charging conditions.
(as a very rough analogy would be 20,000 hard miles put on a car vs. 80,000 good miles being something similar)
*Contrary to some myths out there, there is protection circuitry in your Macbook and therefore you cannot overcharge it when plugged in and already fully charged
LiPo (lithium polymer, same as in your Macbook) batteries do not need conditioning. However...
A lot of battery experts call the use of Lithium cells the "80% Rule" ...meaning use 80% of the charge or so, then recharge them for longer overall life.
Never let your Macbook go into shutdown and safe mode from loss of power, you can corrupt files that way, and the batteries do not like it.
The only quantified abuse seen to Lithium cells are instances when often the cells are repeatedly drained very low…. key word being "often"
Contrary to what some might say, Lithium batteries have an "ideal" break in period. First ten cycles or so, don't discharge down past 40% of the battery's capacity. Same way you don’t take a new car out and speed and rev the engine hard first 100 or so miles.
Proper treatment is still important. Just because LiPo batteries don’t need conditioning in general, does NOT mean they dont have an ideal use / recharge environment. Anything can be abused even if it doesn’t need conditioning.
From Apple on batteries:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1446
http://www.apple.com/batteries/
Storing your MacBook
If you are going to store your MacBook away for an extended period of time, keep it in a cool location (room temperature roughly 22° C or about 72° F). Make certain you have at least a 50% charge on the internal battery of your Macbook if you plan on storing it away for a few months; recharge your battery to 50% or so every six months roughly if being stored away. If you live in a humid environment, keep your Macbook stored in its zippered case to prevent infiltration of humidity on the internals of your Macbook which could lead to corrosion.
Considerations:
Your battery is subject to chemical aging even if not in use. A Lithium battery is aging as soon as its made, regardless.
In a perfect (although impractical) situation, your lithium battery is best idealized swinging back and forth between 20 and 85% SOC (state of charge) roughly.
Further still how you discharge the battery is far more important than how it is either charged or stored short term, and more important long term that cycle counts.
Ultimately counting charge cycles is of little importance. Abuse in discharging (foremost), charging, and storing the battery and how it affects battery chemistry is important and not the ‘odometer’ reading, or cycle counts on the battery.
Everything boils down to battery chemistry long term, and not an arbitrary number, or cycle count.
Keep your macbook plugged in when near a socket since in the near end of long-term life, this is beneficial to the battery.
Peace
Battery calibration, battery memory, battery overcharging, battery training, …all these concepts are mostly holdovers from much older battery technology, and on older Apple portable Macbooks ranging from early nicads, NiMh and otherwise; and these practices do not apply to your lithium battery and its smart controllers.
Calibrating the battery on older Apple portable Macbooks with removable batteries.
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14087
There is no calibration of current Apple portable Macbooks with built-in batteries.
http://support.apple.com/ht1490
There is no battery calibration with current Apple portable Macbooks with built-in batteries. Lithium batteries have essentially a 0-‘memory’, and all such calibration involve the estimations fed to the system controller on the SOC (state of charge) of the battery over long periods of time as the battery degrades. The software based battery controller knows the battery's characteristics, or SOC and adjusts itself. This is why there is both no need and purpose to periodically deeply drain your macbook battery, since it doesn’t affect the characteristics of the battery, and further still deep discharges are something you should not do on purpose to any lithium battery. -
Work-around The Whine: why does this work? And is it BAD?
Hello everybody, sorry to bring up The Whine again, but I was wondering if anyone can figure out why the following trick works to eliminate the noise.
Also, could doing this regularly (all the time, basically) potentially be bad for the system in any way?
This is the work-around I've been using:
1. Open Photobooth, then Force Quit that application (you must Force Quit rather than simply quit)
2. Put the Macbook to sleep, waiting a few seconds until the indicator light starts pulsing.
3. Wake up the computer.
Voila. That always does the trick, eliminating the whine until either the next time I boot up or the next time I open and quit Photobooth in the normal way.
I suppose force quitting may keep the processor slightly busy somehow?
Don't know...John P.,
You say that all the notebooks that you know of make
some kind of noise. How many notebooks is that? Not
trying to be a jerk or anything but it better be like
dozens and dozens to make this claim. I have heard
the exact opposite of this claim from users that have
owned a few notebooks as well.
Hi Jerome,
No problem... I'll clarify..
5 notebooks personally, so when I say "all notebooks that I know of", it's a true claim because that is exactly what I'm saying.
If this noise is caused by capacitor that is at some
miniature threshold then why does the noise go away
when said remedies are employed? Does the capacitor
get bigger? Doesn't make sense but I appreiate that
you want to reassure original poster.
Actually I may have misspoken--it may be called a "voltage regulator" and it sits directly West of the CPU and controller chip. They do make noise and from what I have been told and remember, they can dampen it w/ a capacitor but that's about it. It's just the nature of the beast for that type of component, I'm told.
What "I" think it may be is the power fluctuations, or lack thereof, in the Intel chip causing it--when you put a load on it, there's a power fluctuation because your CPU usage is going up/down a little bit, but when you're not doing anything it's very little it causes it to make a little noise. No big deal, but just as long as it's not blaring in your ear when you're trying to use your computer. My ZV6000 does the same thing, but it doesn't matter when you've got a load or not--seems to do it more when I have Cool 'n' Quiet enabled.
This is not right. I am sorry.
If this noise is normal then I'll take no MacBook.
You know it is being fixed apparently on the MacBook
Pros by motherboard replacement.
I never said anything about pro. I don't own one, nor have I used one. I can't say how profound in comparison to the Macbook (non pro) it is.
I'm sure if Apple thought it was a big enough problem, they would act either more quickly about it, but it's not stopping me from checking my e-mail or going on the Web. -
Physical reason of the whine (CPU, LCD) - explanations and suggestions
Hi everybody,
a friend of mine just received his MacBook Pro (2 Ghz, 2 GB RAM, 5400 RPM 100GB HD) yesterday.
I encouraged him to buy one of these machines in spite lots of people are complaining about the whine. We hoped he would be lucky to get one without the whine but we were disappointed.
The book has the whine (high pitched tone, very nasty). It is even louder when running from battery.
He will try out the book for a week and see if the whine is bugging him and
driving him crazy when working in a silent environment.
I would go nuts if I have to hear it all the time.
I studied lots of threads here in the discussion board but none had answered my questions.
1) How do I know which whine - CPU or LCD whine - my friend's laptop has?
2) What is an LCD inverter - 0 in 1 out - 1 in 0 out?
3) What could be the physical reason for the CPU and LCD whine?
4) Therefore what could be done to eliminate the whine technically in a correct way (not such 50% solutions like the mirror widgets or photo booth)?
5) Will there be a real fix in the foreseeable future?
Thanks for your help.If you have the high-pitched whine that changes with LCD brightness, that is a recognized problem and can be fixed by changing the inverter board.
The whine related to CPU activity currently seems to be officially stated as normal by Apple (this might vary depending on who you talk to).
Am I right when I say that until Apple states that
the whine is actually a real problem we won't have a
official solution for that?
Another question when a MacBook Pro has the whine is
this a hardware defect or can it be seen as working
within normal parameters?
There are different reactions of Apple techs dealing
with the problem.
Is it worth calling them because of the whine even if
there is no actual solution or fix for that problem?
Thank you once again. -
Any reason why my MacBook Pro keeps dropping the WiFi signal - will be fine for ages and then just drops it! Does it at home and work so not either broadband connection
jp270759 wrote:
Hi. MAny thanks for the answer. Am new to Apple - what's the "real" MacBook Pro forum?
I would like to know also!
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Change your router channel. Sometimes this is all you will have to do.
Power cycling the router. Read the router's user manual or contact their tech support for instructions.
System Preferences/Internet & Network/Network
Unlock the padlock
Locations: Automatic
Highlight Airport
Click the Assist Me button
In the popup window click the Diagnostic button.
System Preferences/Network- Unlock padlock. Highlight Airport. Network Name-select your name. Click on the Advanced button. Airport/Preferred Networks-delete all that is not your network.
Place a check mark next to "Remember networks this computer has joined." Click the OK button and lock the padlock. Restart your computer.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1920 Mac OS: How to release and renew a DHCP lease
No internet connection (wireless)
Check to see if an extra entry is present in the DNS Tab for your wireless connection (System Preferences/Network/Airport/Advanced/DNS).
Delete all extra entries that you find.
Place a check mark next to "Remember networks this computer has joined."
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