Tiff with a tough .tiff

I'm really struggling with a .tiff file. It displays fine in InDesign, and exports nicely to PDF.
But if I try opening it in Illustrator (to convert it to greyscale — it's vector; tiffs can be vector, right?), the text comes out badly: it looks like it's an encoding problem. It doesn't open at all in Photoshop ("This file is not the right kind of document.")
On the other hand, if I use InDesign to create a PDF with that .tiff and open the PDF in Illustrator, it opens fine.
Has anyone come across this sort of thing? Any way to sort it out?
Many thanks,
Ariel

Now it's very strange. This Word doc crashed IDCS4 when I try to place
it, but CS2 manages to work with it. However, CS2 produced the same
gibberish that Illustrator does for the text on these graphs. So CS4
crashes, but when you chop the Word doc up and place it bit by bit, the
graphics, when they finally come in, do come in properly without
gibberish in CS4 but not CS2.
What's weird is that in both cases (CS2 and CS4) the charts and vector
graphics that come in with the Word doc are of course embedded. If you
unembed them, it's InDesign that seems to add the .tif extension to
them, but Photoshop isn't able to open them!

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