Two Aspect Ratios?

Is there anyway to switch from one aspect ratio to another mid-project? What I'm basically asking is if it's possible to switch from 4:3 to 16:9, and then back to 4:3.
Long story short, I shot using 16mm film and some footage got lost. I had to reshoot on digital and the aspect ratio is different. Right now, I'll have to distort some of the images by making them stretch to full screen if I can't find a solution.
Item properties: (for widescreen DV footage)
Vid Rate 29.97 fps
Frame size 720 x 480
Compressor: DV/DVCPRO- NTSC
Date rate 3.4 mb/sec
Pixel Aspect: NTSC - CCIR 601
Anamorphic - (checked)
Field dominance Lower (Even)
Sequence Props
Frame size: 720 x 480
Aspect ratio (this may be the problem): NTSC DV 3:2
Pixel Aspect ratio: NTSC-CCIR 601/ DV 720 x 480
Anamorphic 16:9: (checked off)

If you must use 16:9 and 4:3 footage in the one project, consider conforming it all to 14:9 (which is halfway between the two). Basically, you'll be slightly scaling up the 4:3, and slightly scaling down the 16:9. Best (or worst) of both worlds. Only drawback is that this will necessarily be in a (slightly less than normal) letterboxed 4:3 sequence, which will have to be "zoomed" on a widescreen TV.
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Working with two aspect ratios on the same project?

Hello fellow FCE HDers!
I am currentley editing a project that has both 16:9 and 4:3 and would like to be able to use both. Can this be done without streching and shrinking the shots? Is there a happy medium.
Thanks G

Sometimes. You have to decide whether you want the widescreen material letterboxed, or the 4:3 material pillarboxed. Or do a lot of scaling that will soften the image.

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Hi Sameer,
Thanks for your note, but the issue a bit different. Clicking the "fit page" and "fit width" allows you to change the zoom on the document, but the viewing area within the pod remains at a fixed ratio. So the document (unless the pod size is set at the same ratio) never fills the entire pod. Is this clear? I've added some screen shots to show what I mean more clearly.
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How do you export a Pixel Aspect Ratio Corrected Image? (CS5)

I have a still pulled from Premiere Pro CS5, but it's in DVCPRO HD Pixel Aspect (960x720) I pulled it up in photoshop, which corrects it for preview purposes, but I want to export the corrected (1280x720) Image... The only way I've found so far is to create a new document with the corrected Aspect and drag the image to it, then export it... BUT I have a bunch of images to pull from these videos, is there a simpler way?
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Aza,
There are two "Aspect Ratios" with many Video Images.
First, one has the Aspect Ratio of the Image - what you listedwith the 960 x 720. That is the width (in pixels) and the height (in pixels).
Then, there is the Pixel Aspect Ratio. Many Video Images do not use Square Pixels (PAR = 1.0), but instead a Pixel Aspect Ratio. This will be something like PAR = 1.212 (SD Widescreen), PAR = 0.9 (SD Standard), etc..
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What is the PAR, that you wish to use? This can be altered via Image>Pixel Aspect Ratio, and PS will honor that, if you Save_As PSD, TGA, and several other formats, that support non-Square Pixels. What format do you need?
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Match resolutions/aspect ratio of two different cameras

I shot a short video with an iPad 3 and a Sony DCR-DVD-403 NTSC.
The video from the iPad is fuller and wider than the footage I shot with the Sony Cam.
1. I just need them to be the same size as I edit. So that I can produce this project with all video the same size.
2. I would also like to know if I can capture the footage from the miniDVD straight into Premiere Pro without having to use a third party converter to rip and convert. Is this possible, if so, then I am hoping I get the option to match the video aspect ratio from the discs with the iPad footage.
I can't find the answer to these questions anywhere.
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TekyJohn

You have three issues to deal with -
1) Sony footage is Standard Definition, iPad is HD
2) Sony is 4:3, iPad is 16:9 widescreen
3) iPad clips are 30.0 frames per second, while the standard for video is 29.97 frames actually, like the Sony clips are.
If both were widescreen, this would be so much simpler....
Do you need to deliver in HD, or will SD be ok? Because if you blow up the SD to HD, it will look very soft next to the HD video. Better to bring the HD down to SD specs. If they were both 16:9, you'd be all set!
However, you need to decide if you want to crop the iPad footage to 4:3, or make the 4:3 clips into 16:9, either way you lose part of the image. Or you could mix them as is, but you will have either letterboxing or pillarboxing on just ONE of the clips and that will not look good when switching between the two cameras.
So...if you want to deliver as 16:9 SD, you could do this - create a new DV Widescreen sequence and add your clips. To get rid of the black side bars (pillarboxing) on the SD clips, use the Adobe Motion control in Effects panel to Scale the clip up until it fills the screen. You then may also need to adjust the clip up or down within the frame so as to not cut off heads, keep subject framed, using Position settings for X and Y. That is the downside to making 4:3 into 16:9, you lose some of the image. For the iPad clip, right-click and select "Scale to Frame Size" and it will fill the widescreen just fine.
If you want to deliver 4:3 SD, then choose an NTSC DV preset, which will be 4:3 and suitable to the Sony clips. Then bring in the iPad clips and Scale down to fit using Motion effect, keeping in mind the SIDES of the video will be clipped off. Again, you can use the Position settings in Motion to move the frame left or right to keep the subject framed.
As for frame rate issue, I believe that Adobe will handle that for you when putting the 30fps clip into the 29.97 sequence, should be ok but may result in a little weirdness in smoothness of motion, not sure. I don't know if you'll run into audio sync issues between the two though??
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Editing two files together for proper aspect ratio output

hello,
i have 2 files that are 720 x 480 which i'll edit into one project playing together side by side.
this will then show on a projector with a native resolution of 1280x800.
i do not want to crop the sides of two source files by half, but to crop them by a lesser amount to make a wider pairing that will play well with the projector's 16:10 aspect ratio, with no black banding.
to begin my project: 768x480 (same 16:10 ratio as the projector) is not an option to select as a project starting point. 1280x800 is also not an option, and although the crop is actually perfect in a 1280x720 project, i don't want fcpx to do the upscaling, and i believe the 16:9 aspect ratio would lead to black banding top/bottom when shown on the projector.
i'm not sure where to begin, any advice would be appreciated,
thanks.

Unfortunately, FCPX does not offer any 16:10 project settings. The different resolutions offered for HD formats refer to pixel ratio rather than actual dimensions. A project in FCPX is going to be either 4:3 or 16:9. There are a couple of things you can try, but my recommendation would depend on what program will be used to output the movie to the projector (QuickTime?). The 1280x720 dimensions are the standard 720p resolution and is as close as you will get to your desired resolution. If you are worried about the banding that would occur when displaying a 16:9 file on a 16:10 projector, the easiest solution would be to use the media player to stretch the movie to fill the screen. If you have Compressor you could encode your FCPX output to your desired resolution, but you will still be stretching the image. If you want more assistance provide a little more info, are the soure files 4:3 or 16:9 for example, and I may be able to offer more advice if I know a little more.

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Try this basic troubleshooting fix :
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2 - delete IDVD'S cache file, Cache.db, that is located in your
User/Home()/Library/Caches/com.apple.iDVD folder.
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3 - reboot.
4 - launch IDVD and try again.
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Once you have the project as you want it save it as a disk image via the File ➙ Save as Disk Image menu option. This will separate the encoding process from the burn process.
To check the encoding mount the disk image and launch DVD Player and play it. If it plays OK with DVD Player the encoding was good.
Then burn to disk with Disk Utility or Toast at the slowest speed available (2x-4x) to assure the best burn quality. Always use top quality media: Verbatim, Maxell or Taiyo Yuden DVD-R are the most recommended in these forums.
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How to edit footage in the same sequence from two different cameras: 1) Standard Def 4:3 aspect ratio, and 2) Standard Def shot 16:9, anamorphic?

What can I say. We blew the shoot. His high-end Sony camera - std def at 4:3 aspect ratio.
My camera - the little Panasonic DVX100, set to anamorphic, so 16:9 aspect ratio.
I have to edit this footage together in the same sequence. Obviously, I'm getting prompts to change the sequence settings every time I try to move footage onto the timeline.
Alternatively, would someone just thunk me in the head.
I'm sad about this. I can't believe it happened.

What is the ouput - standard 4:3 DV?
If so, put a clip of the 4:3 material into a timeline and accept the offer to conform the timeline to that material. Then, any of the 16:9 material will be part of that settings - however - you will want to go into the DISTORT settings in the Viewer to alter the material so that the image extends beyond the sides (aka a center cut). It has been a long time since I've done this but I remember the number is something like 33 (or -33).
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Working with several video formats aspect ratios need help...

Hi folks I have searched around quite a bit but I need more specific advice based my situation...I am editing a docu about Japanese biker gangs shot on several different SD cameras:
MY FOOTAGE
1.Sony Vx-2000 fitted with a Century Optics 16:9 converter lens bayonet mounted
2.Canon Xl2 shot in 16:9 mode
But I also have:
ARCHIVAL/ACQUIRED FOOTAGE
1. Contributor's camera SD 4:3 aspect ratio
2.Contributor's camera SD 16:9 aspect ratio
3. Transferred from VHS into SD 4:3 aspect ratio
I would like to standardize the aspect ratio for the project but I am getting confused as sometimes the footage shot on the sony (which should be true 16:9) appears elongated vertically at times.
Are my settings off?
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lost. I guees most TVs can handle 16:9 without letterboxing....
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BTW eventually I am planning on Uprezing the project to HD using Magic Bullet when outputting.
The overall question is: Who has experience dealing with multiple aspect ratios in one timeline? Can you offer any advice on a work flow to output successfully?

Sorry to butt in, haven't read the entire thread.
Suggest you plan from the beginning to create one timeline but encode for two separate output formats.
Standard procedure for bringing multiple formats is to convert them to a single format as they are ingested. Decide early what the timeline format will be and transcode everything to that codec before anything is brought into the timeline.
When your project goesgolden, export a single self-contained movie and take that to Compressor to create release movies that will be played on Blu-ray, SD DVD, online, or in Power Point, whatever you need.
bogiesan
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Sorry to ask my second question in 24 hours. I think my new problem is as much a case of me not getting the concept as it is of me not understanding the software.
Thanks to the kind folk on this forum I managed to sort out my timeline and get all the clips to overlay properly. I then thought that rather than exporting the whole thing, I should just mark an in and out point on the sequence and create a QT (mov) file from that section, which I would then turn into a short (6 minute) DVD using iDVD. All of that seemed to go really smoothly and quickly BUT when I played the DVD on a Sony LCD TV I realised that the aspect ratio has gone wrong. There are black bars at the top and bottom, even though it is a 16:9 TV and the source material is 16:9 (albeit in different formats - see below). The people look a bit squashed on the TV screen and the aspect ratio of the video part of the picture when it appears on the TV screen is more like 2.35:1 than 16:9.
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Hello Tom, I just realised that you wrote the book that's sitting on the desk next to me... I thought that name looked familiar.
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Hello Jim Simon,
Yes, I've tried importing one of these wav files into a new project, but it Premiere won't allow me to. It comes up with a message saying:
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I have a project that contains 4:3 and 16:9 footage. It is being prepared for 4:3 VHS release as well as 16:9 DVD release. For the DVD, I have exported all footage out of FCP from a 16:9 timeline. The VHS master is being sent to get captioned and the subtitle files for the DVD will be generated from this same master.
I originally thought I could just drop the video in its entirety onto two tracks in DVDSP, set the display mode of track 1 as 16:9 letterbox and the display mode of track 2 as 16:9 pan-scan. Then I could use chapter markers and stories to navigate as needed depending upon the aspect ratio of the original footage. The problem is this doubles the size of my DVD. I didn't think using the same footage on two tracks should increase the size as it is simply referencing the same file, but alas it does.
So, if instead I put only the true 16:9 footage on track 1 and only the pillarboxed (originally 4:3) footage on track 2, this solves the DVD size problem but screws up my subtitle timings, which I can certainly shift as needed but there are a LOT of small pieces in this project and it jumps between aspect ratios a lot so it will necessitate a lot of subtitle shifting.
Is there another better way to approach this? Hope my description was clear enough.
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Hi Steve, thanks for your reply. I did not explain well. I am not planning to put both 16:9 and 4:3 versions on the DVD. What I am doing is using only 16:9 encoded video on the DVD. This is achieved by placing all footage (16:9 and 4:3) on a 16:9 timeline in FCP and encodeing to widescreen using Compressor. When I do this, the footage originally shot in 16:9 comes through unaltered while the footage originally shot in 4:3 comes through with pillarboxing.
Ultimately, I need widescreen footage to appear unaltered on 16:9 monitors and letterboxed on 4:3 monitors and I need the footage that was originally shot in 4:3 to appear pillarboxed on 16:9 monitors but unaltered on 4:3 monitors.
Based on the way I am exporting my footage from FCP, if I use a single track in DVDSP and place all the footage on that track and set it to 16:9 letterbox, I believe the footage that was originally shot in 4:3 will get postage-stamped, since the pillarboxing was created by FCP when 4:3 footage was placed in the 16:9 timeline.
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Perhaps there is another way to set things up in FCP and export differently? Please let me know if you see another solution.
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Two questions:
1. Is there a way to get the aspect ratio of the screen?
2. Is there a way from within Java to take over the entire screen and set the screen resolution without using DirectX?

hi!
for your first problem you can reffer to Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().getScreenSize() after that you can easily calculate the ratio..
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