Umount drives mounted with autofs
Is it possible to allow users to call "umount" on drives that were mounted with autofs? I have the following rules:
cdrom -fstype=iso9660,ro,users,nodev,nosuid :/dev/cdrom
floppy -fstype=auto,async,users,nodev,nosuid,umask=000 :/dev/fl
usb -fstype=auto,async,users,nodev,nosuid,umask=000 :/dev/sdb1
I am under the impression that if I mount with option "users", then users can umount the drives. However, that option does not actually seem to be used. Any ideas on how I can allow my users to umount these drives?
Nope. From `man mount':
users: Allow every user to mount and unmount the file system. This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden by subsequent options, as in the option line users,exec,dev,suid).
Only the user that mounted a filesystem can unmount it again. If any user should be able to unmount, then use users instead of user in the fstab line. The owner option is similar to the user option, with the restriction that the user must be the owner of the special file. This may be useful e.g. for /dev/fd if a login script makes the console user owner of this device. The group option is similar, with the restriction that the user must be member of the group of the special file.
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[solved] how to umount devices mounted with pmount as user?
i can run
pmount /dev/sdb
und mount the given device as user.
but i can umount this device only as root?
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I am trying to autoload cartridges from my Dell RD1000 usb drive, but have not been successful. autofs4 module is loaded in rc.conf, and autofs daemon is there as well. I can manually mount the drive using /dev/sdc1 or /dev/disk/by-uuid/etc (what I get from the blkid command). However, if I plug in a drive it does not automount. I'm sure I'm missing something here, but cannot figure out what that might be.
My /etc/auto.master file:
# /etc/autofs/auto.master
# Sample auto.master file
# Format of this file:
# mountpoint map options
# For details of the format look at autofs(5).
#/media /etc/autofs/auto.media
# added next for RD1000 removable hard drive for backup
/mnt/rd1000 /etc/autofs/auto.rd1000 --timeout=15 --ghost
# eof
My /etc/auto.rd1000 file:
# /etc/auto.rd1000
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# eof
The last portion of my /var/log/daemon.log after an /etc/rc.d/autofs restart:
Mar 2 16:27:05 viking automount[2224]: umounted indirect mount /mnt/rd1000
Mar 2 16:27:05 viking automount[2224]: shut down path /mnt/rd1000
Mar 2 16:27:05 viking automount[2224]: autofs stopped
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: Starting automounter version 5.0.5, master map auto.master
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: using kernel protocol version 5.01
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: mounted indirect on /mnt/rd1000 with timeout 15, freq 4 seconds
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: ghosting enabled
But there isn't acually any filesystem mounted.
And this is at the end of dmesg:
csi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access DELL RD1000 2037 PQ: 0 ANSI: 3
sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
usb-storage: device scan complete
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] 312573616 512-byte logical blocks: (160 GB/149 GiB)
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 1f 00 00 08
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sdc: sdc1
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sdc: sdc1
The explanation in the howto that I'm following is:(they use vchanger, I use rd1000, mine is a 15sec timeout)
After restarting the autofs daemon, whenever a file or directory with a full path beginning with '/mnt/vchanger' is accessed, the autofs filesystem will search the map defined in the /etc/auto.vchanger file for a key matching the path being accessed. In this case, the only key in /etc/auto.vchanger is the wildcard '*', meaning any path name beginning with '/mnt/vchanger' will match. Autofs then automatically mounts the device mapped to the wildcard key at the path being accessed. The /etc/auto.vchanger map file specifies the device to be mounted as /dev/disk/by-uuid/&. The '&' is substituted for the key value. For example, when a program attempts to access /mnt/vchanger/9667f83c-6150-44c7-b0d4-57564f174b35 (or any files or directories below it) the autofs daemon will look at the auto.vchanger map for the key 9667f83c-6150-44c7-b0d4-57564f174b35 and discover that it should mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/9667f83c-6150-44c7-b0d4-57564f174b35 at /mnt/vchanger/9667f83c-6150-44c7-b0d4-57564f174b35 with mount options '-fstype=auto,rw,sync'. After a period of 30 seconds of no activity, autofs will automatically unmount the device.
Always make sure autofs is working properly before continuing with setting up vchanger. If using the above autofs config files, when you plug in a USB drive with filesystem UUID of, say, 9667f83c-6150-44c7-b0d4-57564f174b35, you should be able to list its contents with the command
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# /etc/autofs/auto.master
# Sample auto.master file
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# mountpoint map options
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#/media /etc/autofs/auto.media
# added next for RD1000 removable hard drive for backup
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# /etc/auto.rd1000
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# eof
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Mar 2 16:27:05 viking automount[2224]: umounted indirect mount /mnt/rd1000
Mar 2 16:27:05 viking automount[2224]: shut down path /mnt/rd1000
Mar 2 16:27:05 viking automount[2224]: autofs stopped
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: Starting automounter version 5.0.5, master map auto.master
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: using kernel protocol version 5.01
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: mounted indirect on /mnt/rd1000 with timeout 15, freq 4 seconds
Mar 2 16:27:06 viking automount[5374]: ghosting enabled
But there isn't acually any filesystem mounted.
And this is at the end of dmesg:
csi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access DELL RD1000 2037 PQ: 0 ANSI: 3
sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
usb-storage: device scan complete
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] 312573616 512-byte logical blocks: (160 GB/149 GiB)
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 1f 00 00 08
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sdc: sdc1
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
sdc: sdc1
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