Undate derived flow (gain / loss ; FX3011/ FX3010)

Dear SAP experts,
we are upgrading our System from 4.6 up to ECC6.0.
By upgrading the treasury-module we have set the "Control of processing of derived Business Transactions" to ONLINE.
Here are the relevant flows:
FX1000+ for buy                           updatetyp = 1 Transaction management
FX2000- for sell                            updatetyp = 1 Transaction management
FX3011/FX3010 for gain/loss.       updatetyp = 9001 derived business transaction
The advantage of the ONLINE-Mode is, that the derived flows should be updated automatically by the system. When I am creating a foreign Exchange contract in treasury with tx01 then the gain/loss will be created automatically. Up to here, everything is fine.
Now, If the exchange ratio is changed, the amounts of the Flows FX1000+ and FX2000- will be changed automatically by running the transaction TBB1. But the change of the gain&loss flows FX3011/FX3010 does not appear automatically.
Can you help me?
Many thanks.
Kind regards
Salih

Hi, Sliah,
pls try T-Code :TPM18
BR,
Louise

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Thank you for looking into this case.
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