Use of cost element as a fixed characteristic in PA?

Hi,
How the cost element is used from CE1XXXX table in Profitability Analysis reporting?
If you are using cost center assessments, the last cost element in settlement document is used as reference cost element to post a PA document in CEXXXX table. Why the last cost element is used?
Thanks

When you do COPA assessements they use a secondary cost element you specify in each cycle segment. It shows in CO as an offset to the original amount. On the COPA side it creates a posting to that same cost element in the value field you designate. These entries form a profitability segmant in COPA which is COPA's way of indexing the entries. I am not sure why you say the last cost element because the sender pulls what you designate by segment and the receiver gets what you send based on the secondary cost element and value fields.
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Can any one explain me the seconday cost element uses and importance in cost accounting ?
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42-Assesment.
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Hi Prad,
21-Internal setellment - This category of cost element is used to settle the costs collected in a cost object to another cost object within Controlling. You cannot settle to FI or any toher Module using this category of Cost Element
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Dear Experts,
While creating PR using GL account xxxx this error message appears:
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Diagnosis
The given object is not a valid additional account assignment for revenue or debit postings.
Procedure
In this transaction only use additional account assignments that allow revenue postings.
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Dear Experts,
I have some Balance Sheet related G/L account, which I have created as cost element through transaction KA01, system gives an info message saying its an BS related account, if I ignore that message and proceed further it creates a Cost element with category (system automatically picks the category and the field gets into gray mode) 90.
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Praveen

Hi,
The use of cost element category 90 is only provided
in the following two cases (note Note 75980):
1. asset acquisitions and down payments which are
   assigned directly to a fixed asset or asset under construction can
   be assigned to an account on internal orders or WBS elements
   statistically.
2. cost elements of category 90 can also be created
   for material stock accounts to display material make-to-order stocks
   on sales orders or customer projects.
If you G/L account does NOT correspond to the standard cases 1) or 2),
you can (on your own responsibility)
both deactivate the account assignment
check in the CO interface (message KI098) and when you create cost
elements (message KS036). Both checks are deactivated by maintaining
Transaction OBA5. Deactivate message KI098. Message KS036 cannot be
deactivated directly with Transaction OBA5 - rather, it is deactivated
indirectly when you deactivate message KI098.
The message must be DE-ACTIVATED. Please do not set it to any other
type. Please proceed as follows:
Please call OBA5 in the production system - if not set to changeable
please do this in Your development system.
In OBA5 choose KI and in the detail screen add 098.
Then set the type of warning to "-".
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Can we create a cost element for a Balance Sheet account?

Hi folks,
Is it possible to create a cost element for a balance sheet account? If yes, what are the scenerios we would need it and how is it done?
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Hello
Please review the below information regarding cost elements category 90 : Financial Accounting Balance Sheet Accounts
Category 90 is automatically assigned when you create cost elements in CO whose   general ledger accounts in FI are asset reconciliation accounts
(special balance sheet accounts), not income statement accounts. You
cannot change this category in CO master data maintenance.
FI does not require CO account assignments to cost elements of
category 90. However, if you enter an account assignment, it is only
recorded statistically for real objects.
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asset procurement. To do so, enter the investment order or WBS element
in the corresponding field in the asset master. The Asset Management
component ensures that the order or element automatically appears in
the document when you access the asset procurement.
The R/3 System debits the order/WBS element statistically in the
Controlling component, which you can then monitor with availability
control.
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part of cost center planning.
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The use of cost element category 90 is only provided in the standard
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      can be triggered on the order or the WBS element for asset posting.
2. As of Release 4.0, cost elements of category 90 can also be created
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Cost Elements not to br created

Hi Gurus,
Which Cost Elements should not created againts the GL accounts apart from Assets & Laibilties' GL.
Like WIP change A/c should not created as Cost Elements.
regards
Shiv.

Hi,
There are different kind of Cost Elements which depends upon the Cost Element Category...
01: Primary costs / cost-reducing revenues
This cost element category can be debited for all primary postings, for example, in Financial Accounting (FI) or in Materials Management (MM).
Cost-reducing revenues are revenues that are to be handled in CO similarly to overhead costs, and which reduce the prices of an activity type or the costs to be assessed. This is the case, for example, with rent revenues, which reduce the room costs to be assessed. Cash discount amounts and exchange rate amounts are also cost-reducing revenues.
03: Accrual Calculation Using the Percentage Method
You can only use this cost element category during accrual calculation in Cost Center Accounting (component CO-OM-CCA) when you are using the percentage method. You can post directly from FI to take account of the actual costs incurred. The system also uses cost elements of this category to post the accrual amounts within Cost Center Accounting CO-OM-CCA.
If you do take actual costs into account (say, for additional costs), create cost elements of this category in Controlling (CO) only. The account must be defined in the chart of accounts, but you do not need to create the general ledger account in FI.
04: Accrual Calculation Using the Target=Actual Method
Used in Cost Center Accounting (CO-OM-CCA) only for accrual calculation when you are using the target=actual method. You can post costs directly from FI to register actual costs incurred. At the same time, the system uses this category of cost element to post accrual cost amounts within Cost Center Accounting CO-OM-CCA.
If you do take actual costs into account (say, for additional costs), create cost elements of this category in Controlling (CO) only. The account must be defined in the chart of accounts, but you do not need to create the general ledger account in FI.
11: Revenues
Used to post revenues. These revenues are generally posted during make-to-stock-production directly into the operating profit, or with make-to-order-production to the sales order.
In Controlling (CO) revenues are displayed with negative +/- sign. An exception to this is Profitability Accounting (CO-PA, costing-based), in which all values, including revenues, are displayed with a positive +/- sign.
12: Sales Deductions
Used to post deductible items (sales adjustments, sales corrections) such as discounts and rebates. Certain deductible items (freight charged separately in the invoice, surcharges for small quantities, special orders) are not classified as sales deductions, but as revenue elements.
You can use this category in the same manner as revenue elements (category 11). Values on cost centers are displayed as statistical only.
22: External Settlement
Used to settle order costs, project costs, or cost object costs to objects outside of CO. These objects could be assets (Asset Management), materials (Materials Management), or general ledger accounts (Financial Accounting). The R/3 System creates an accounting document when the costs are settled.
Cost elements of this category cannot be used for settlement within CO (cost centers, orders, projects, and so on). Use secondary cost element category 21 for this purpose. The system does not create an accounting document when costs are settled within CO.
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90: Cost Elements for Balance Sheet Accounts in FI
Automatically assigned when you create cost elements in CO whose general ledger accounts in FI are asset reconciliation accounts (special balance sheet accounts), not income statement accounts. You cannot change this category in CO master data maintenance.
FI does not require CO account assignments to cost elements of category 90. However, if you enter an account assignment, it is only recorded statistically for true objects.
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In CO the order or WBS element is debited statistically. This statistical debiting is checked by the system using the budget during availability control.
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Cost element type 90

I need information about primary cost elements with cost element type 90.
Has someone hands-on experience?
I try to use this type of cost element linked to a reconciliation (customer) accont.

Hello
Cost Element Category 90
Cost element for balance sheet accounts in Financial Accounting
Cost elements of this category are generated automatically when you create cost elements in Controlling that have asset reconciliation accounts, that is, special balance sheet accounts, as corresponding general ledger accounts in Financial Accounting.
You cannot change this cost element category in CO master data maintenance.
FI does not require CO account assignments of category 90. However, if you do enter a CO account assignment, this is only updated statistically even for true CO objects.
Cost elements of category 90 enable you to control the costs of an order or project budget during the acquisition of fixed assets that can be directly capitalized. To achieve this you enter a capital investment order or work breakdown structure (WBS) element in the appropriate field in the asset master data. The Asset Management (AM) component ensures that when the asset is acquired, the order or WBS element is automatically entered in the document.
In Controlling, orders and WBS elements are debited statistically. This statistical debit is checked with the budget during availability control.
The system does not support other uses of category 90 cost elements at present. You cannot plan using these cost elements.
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DIP - Cost Elements differents sales prices

Hi,
I've create a DIP profile for quotations using the Cost Elements as characteristic.
In TCode DP81 I see all the costs of the project gathered by cost element properly. I don't know why, but the sales prices value is zero for all cost elements.
Nevertheless my question is: How can I apply, by default, a different percentage to each Cost Element?
i.e. I would like to charge, always a 5% all the costs on cost element XXX and a 4% on all the costs on cost element YYY (I don't mind if i have to define this percentages by cost element or by SET)
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Hi
1. Regarding Sales Price values being Zero :-
a. Cross check your ODP4 customization.
b. What is your "Transfer Costs ..." indicator in Material determination" ?
2. Regarding different profit % :-
a. Maintain one full set for Source Selection Criteria (full set means for example containing both Cost Element "XXX" & "YYY")
b. In Material Determination, maintain two line items. Criteria for each material will be a separate set of Cost Elements, say SET1 (with CE XXX) & SET2 (with CE YYY)
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We are using assembly processing to create projects. After project is created, a requirement arises and we manually assign few internal activities in CJ20N. When we do like that, a cost element gets picked automatically in the cost element field of External TAB along with Purchase Org & purchase group though it is an internal activity. This doesnt happen in already created activities during automatic creation.
We don't need the system to bring these values for cost element, purchase org. & group. We are not using this cost element anywhere. In network profile cost element field is blank.
So whenever we confirm the activity it throws an error message. CK197, G/L account for company code / costelement does not exist.
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Hi, Rahul,
Have your system is gone for any recent upgrade for EHP4 ?
This error is due to EHP4 please implement following said notes
1285728, 1277967.
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